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| Title: Re: Who's to Blame for Delayed Response to Katrina? |
08 Sep 2005 04:37:07 PM |
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dreamwalker wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=1102467&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312
Looks like they didn't read the plan as thoroughly as they should have.
Yet another case of sacrificing accuracy for ratings.
Woods
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Who's to Blame for Delayed Response to Katrina? |
08 Sep 2005 12:53:23 AM |
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dreamwalker wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=3D1102467&page=3D1&CM=
P=3DOTC-RSSFeeds0312
Of course it was only a matter of time until US media started telling
the whole story. The lid is off now, it's only a matter of time until
this is widely reported. Thanks for posting this, because I was really
starting to wonder about the ultra-biased state of major media in this
country.
[excerpt from the ABC News article] New Orleans' own comprehensive
emergency plan raises the specter of "having large numbers of people =85
stranded" and promises "the city =85 will utilize all available resources
to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas."
"Special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to
transport themselves," the plan states.
When Hurricane Katrina hit, however, that plan was not followed
completely.
Instead of sending city buses to evacuate those who could not make it
out on their own, people in New Orleans were told to go to the
Superdome and the Convention Center, where no one provided sufficient
sustenance or security. [end excerpt]
And soon we will know it was Louisiana officials, not federal
officials, who blocked the Red Cross from responding to the mayor's
pleas for food and water at the Superdome and Convention Center. The
media will eventually catch up, and be forced to drop their biased
coverage as they realize they have no other choice.
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| User: "dreamwalker" |
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| Title: Re: Who's to Blame for Delayed Response to Katrina? |
08 Sep 2005 08:20:47 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1126158803.922217.180810@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
dreamwalker wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=1102467&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312
Of course it was only a matter of time until US media started telling
the whole story. The lid is off now, it's only a matter of time until
this is widely reported. Thanks for posting this, because I was really
starting to wonder about the ultra-biased state of major media in this
country.
[excerpt from the ABC News article] New Orleans' own comprehensive
emergency plan raises the specter of "having large numbers of people
stranded" and promises "the city will utilize all available resources
to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas."
"Special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to
transport themselves," the plan states.
When Hurricane Katrina hit, however, that plan was not followed
completely.
Instead of sending city buses to evacuate those who could not make it
out on their own, people in New Orleans were told to go to the
Superdome and the Convention Center, where no one provided sufficient
sustenance or security. [end excerpt]
And soon we will know it was Louisiana officials, not federal
officials, who blocked the Red Cross from responding to the mayor's
pleas for food and water at the Superdome and Convention Center. The
media will eventually catch up, and be forced to drop their biased
coverage as they realize they have no other choice.
The state DHS in LA blocked the Red Cross. Reason? They didn't want the superdome to be a collection
point. They feared if people knew the dome had free food, they'd come in droves. This was the
governor and mayor's duing. Not the feds.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: Who's to Blame for Delayed Response to Katrina? |
08 Sep 2005 04:38:47 PM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
dreamwalker wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=1102467&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312
Of course it was only a matter of time until US media started telling
the whole story. The lid is off now, it's only a matter of time until
this is widely reported. Thanks for posting this, because I was really
starting to wonder about the ultra-biased state of major media in this
country.
[excerpt from the ABC News article] New Orleans' own comprehensive
emergency plan raises the specter of "having large numbers of people �
stranded" and promises "the city � will utilize all available resources
to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas."
"Special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to
transport themselves," the plan states.
When Hurricane Katrina hit, however, that plan was not followed
completely.
Instead of sending city buses to evacuate those who could not make it
out on their own, people in New Orleans were told to go to the
Superdome and the Convention Center, where no one provided sufficient
sustenance or security. [end excerpt]
And soon we will know it was Louisiana officials, not federal
officials, who blocked the Red Cross from responding to the mayor's
pleas for food and water at the Superdome and Convention Center. The
media will eventually catch up, and be forced to drop their biased
coverage as they realize they have no other choice.
I've posted a link to the NO emergency preparedness plan - how about
pointing out where it says anything about evacuating people to someplace
outside of New Orleans? You can't, because the plan only included
evacuations to shelters *within* New Orleans.
Woods
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| User: "dreamwalker" |
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| Title: Re: Who's to Blame for Delayed Response to Katrina? |
08 Sep 2005 08:18:02 PM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:Hb2Ue.85643$Hx4.25260@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
Steven Douglas wrote:
dreamwalker wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=1102467&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312
Of course it was only a matter of time until US media started telling
the whole story. The lid is off now, it's only a matter of time until
this is widely reported. Thanks for posting this, because I was really
starting to wonder about the ultra-biased state of major media in this
country.
[excerpt from the ABC News article] New Orleans' own comprehensive
emergency plan raises the specter of "having large numbers of people ?
stranded" and promises "the city ? will utilize all available resources
to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas."
"Special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to
transport themselves," the plan states.
When Hurricane Katrina hit, however, that plan was not followed
completely.
Instead of sending city buses to evacuate those who could not make it
out on their own, people in New Orleans were told to go to the
Superdome and the Convention Center, where no one provided sufficient
sustenance or security. [end excerpt]
And soon we will know it was Louisiana officials, not federal
officials, who blocked the Red Cross from responding to the mayor's
pleas for food and water at the Superdome and Convention Center. The
media will eventually catch up, and be forced to drop their biased
coverage as they realize they have no other choice.
I've posted a link to the NO emergency preparedness plan - how about pointing out where it says
anything about evacuating people to someplace outside of New Orleans? You can't, because the plan
only included evacuations to shelters *within* New Orleans.
Bush declared federal disaster relief on 8/27 in preperation. If the governor would've turned over
control of the disaster relief effort to the feds, FEMA could've evacuated. Why did she wait until
8/31 to turn over the disaster effort?
Woods
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: Who's to Blame for Delayed Response to Katrina? |
08 Sep 2005 09:06:55 PM |
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dreamwalker wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:Hb2Ue.85643$Hx4.25260@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
Steven Douglas wrote:
dreamwalker wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=1102467&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312
Of course it was only a matter of time until US media started telling
the whole story. The lid is off now, it's only a matter of time until
this is widely reported. Thanks for posting this, because I was really
starting to wonder about the ultra-biased state of major media in this
country.
[excerpt from the ABC News article] New Orleans' own comprehensive
emergency plan raises the specter of "having large numbers of people ?
stranded" and promises "the city ? will utilize all available resources
to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas."
"Special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to
transport themselves," the plan states.
When Hurricane Katrina hit, however, that plan was not followed
completely.
Instead of sending city buses to evacuate those who could not make it
out on their own, people in New Orleans were told to go to the
Superdome and the Convention Center, where no one provided sufficient
sustenance or security. [end excerpt]
And soon we will know it was Louisiana officials, not federal
officials, who blocked the Red Cross from responding to the mayor's
pleas for food and water at the Superdome and Convention Center. The
media will eventually catch up, and be forced to drop their biased
coverage as they realize they have no other choice.
I've posted a link to the NO emergency preparedness plan - how about pointing out where it says
anything about evacuating people to someplace outside of New Orleans? You can't, because the plan
only included evacuations to shelters *within* New Orleans.
Bush declared federal disaster relief on 8/27 in preperation. If the governor would've turned over
control of the disaster relief effort to the feds, FEMA could've evacuated. Why did she wait until
8/31 to turn over the disaster effort?
She requested relief on 8/28, before Katrina struck. She has never
"turned over" the disaster effort to the feds, nor does the federal
gov't need it in a multi-state disaster. She has retained control of
the National Guard, which is the only thing I'm aware that Duhbya was
having a snit about not getting.
Woods
Woods
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Who's to Blame for Delayed Response to Katrina? |
09 Sep 2005 12:09:37 AM |
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Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
dreamwalker wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=1102467&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312
Of course it was only a matter of time until US media started telling
the whole story. The lid is off now, it's only a matter of time until
this is widely reported. Thanks for posting this, because I was really
starting to wonder about the ultra-biased state of major media in this
country.
[excerpt from the ABC News article] New Orleans' own comprehensive
emergency plan raises the specter of "having large numbers of people ?
stranded" and promises "the city ? will utilize all available resources
to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas."
"Special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to
transport themselves," the plan states.
When Hurricane Katrina hit, however, that plan was not followed
completely.
Instead of sending city buses to evacuate those who could not make it
out on their own, people in New Orleans were told to go to the
Superdome and the Convention Center, where no one provided sufficient
sustenance or security. [end excerpt]
And soon we will know it was Louisiana officials, not federal
officials, who blocked the Red Cross from responding to the mayor's
pleas for food and water at the Superdome and Convention Center. The
media will eventually catch up, and be forced to drop their biased
coverage as they realize they have no other choice.
I've posted a link to the NO emergency preparedness plan - how about
pointing out where it says anything about evacuating people to someplace
outside of New Orleans? You can't, because the plan only included
evacuations to shelters *within* New Orleans.
There is also a State of Louisiana disaster plan, a portion of which
has been posted here previously. Here it is again:
Louisiana disaster plan, pg 13, para 5, dated 01/00
'The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles.
School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles
provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation
for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in
evacuating'...
Yahoo! News Photo AP - Thu Sep 1, 4:15 PM ET
An aerial view of flooded buses
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050901/480/flpc21109012015
What does "evactuating" mean to you? The city of New Orleans was under
a MANDATORY evacuation. The shelters *within* the city were considered
shelters of last resort only. All those buses should have been used to
*evacuate* people without transportation, as the Louisiana disaster
plan calls for. Why are you still arguing this point?
In time, the media will catch up and understand what is going on. Soon
it will be reported that the Red Cross was blocked from taking food and
water to people stranded at the Superdome and Convention Center --
people who should have never been stranded at those shelters of last
resort, but instead should have been "evacuated" as the plan called
for. Now please stop arguing this point.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: Who's to Blame for Delayed Response to Katrina? |
09 Sep 2005 05:42:53 PM |
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Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
dreamwalker wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=1102467&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312
Of course it was only a matter of time until US media started telling
the whole story. The lid is off now, it's only a matter of time until
this is widely reported. Thanks for posting this, because I was really
starting to wonder about the ultra-biased state of major media in this
country.
[excerpt from the ABC News article] New Orleans' own comprehensive
emergency plan raises the specter of "having large numbers of people ?
stranded" and promises "the city ? will utilize all available resources
to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas."
"Special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to
transport themselves," the plan states.
When Hurricane Katrina hit, however, that plan was not followed
completely.
Instead of sending city buses to evacuate those who could not make it
out on their own, people in New Orleans were told to go to the
Superdome and the Convention Center, where no one provided sufficient
sustenance or security. [end excerpt]
And soon we will know it was Louisiana officials, not federal
officials, who blocked the Red Cross from responding to the mayor's
pleas for food and water at the Superdome and Convention Center. The
media will eventually catch up, and be forced to drop their biased
coverage as they realize they have no other choice.
I've posted a link to the NO emergency preparedness plan - how about
pointing out where it says anything about evacuating people to someplace
outside of New Orleans? You can't, because the plan only included
evacuations to shelters *within* New Orleans.
There is also a State of Louisiana disaster plan, a portion of which
has been posted here previously. Here it is again:
Louisiana disaster plan, pg 13, para 5, dated 01/00
'The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles.
School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles
provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation
for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in
evacuating'...
Yahoo! News Photo AP - Thu Sep 1, 4:15 PM ET
An aerial view of flooded buses
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050901/480/flpc21109012015
What does "evactuating" mean to you? The city of New Orleans was under
a MANDATORY evacuation. The shelters *within* the city were considered
shelters of last resort only. All those buses should have been used to
*evacuate* people without transportation, as the Louisiana disaster
plan calls for. Why are you still arguing this point?
Previously, you were claiming it was the responsibility of the mayor,
and that's what I disagreed with. Glad to see that you now realize that
his authority was, in fact, limited to the city limits.
I'd like to see the state document - where is it located?
In time, the media will catch up and understand what is going on. Soon
it will be reported that the Red Cross was blocked from taking food and
water to people stranded at the Superdome and Convention Center --
people who should have never been stranded at those shelters of last
resort, but instead should have been "evacuated" as the plan called
for. Now please stop arguing this point.
I don't need to, you have come to the understanding that I wanted you to
have. I did good.
Now that you've seen the light on that, perhaps you might catch a
glimmer of what the governor meant in her request for emergency disaster
declaration *before* Katrina hit, due to inadequate resources to handle
the impending disaster. Look up "inadequate", and then look up
"resources". I think you'll find that the state was already saying it
didn't have sufficient resources to handle the disaster. Unless you can
pull resources out of thin air, there's not much more that can be done
other than ask for help from another source. Which, btw, didn't bother
to show up for another 5 days ...
Woods
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: Who's to Blame for Delayed Response to Katrina? |
09 Sep 2005 08:46:33 PM |
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Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
Woodswun wrote:
Steven Douglas wrote:
dreamwalker wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=1102467&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312
Of course it was only a matter of time until US media started telling
the whole story. The lid is off now, it's only a matter of time until
this is widely reported. Thanks for posting this, because I was really
starting to wonder about the ultra-biased state of major media in this
country.
[excerpt from the ABC News article] New Orleans' own comprehensive
emergency plan raises the specter of "having large numbers of people ?
stranded" and promises "the city ? will utilize all available resources
to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas."
"Special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to
transport themselves," the plan states.
When Hurricane Katrina hit, however, that plan was not followed
completely.
Instead of sending city buses to evacuate those who could not make it
out on their own, people in New Orleans were told to go to the
Superdome and the Convention Center, where no one provided sufficient
sustenance or security. [end excerpt]
And soon we will know it was Louisiana officials, not federal
officials, who blocked the Red Cross from responding to the mayor's
pleas for food and water at the Superdome and Convention Center. The
media will eventually catch up, and be forced to drop their biased
coverage as they realize they have no other choice.
I've posted a link to the NO emergency preparedness plan - how about
pointing out where it says anything about evacuating people to someplace
outside of New Orleans? You can't, because the plan only included
evacuations to shelters *within* New Orleans.
There is also a State of Louisiana disaster plan, a portion of which
has been posted here previously. Here it is again:
Louisiana disaster plan, pg 13, para 5, dated 01/00
'The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles.
School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles
provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation
for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in
evacuating'...
Yahoo! News Photo AP - Thu Sep 1, 4:15 PM ET
An aerial view of flooded buses
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050901/480/flpc21109012015
What does "evactuating" mean to you? The city of New Orleans was under
a MANDATORY evacuation. The shelters *within* the city were considered
shelters of last resort only. All those buses should have been used to
*evacuate* people without transportation, as the Louisiana disaster
plan calls for. Why are you still arguing this point?
Previously, you were claiming it was the responsibility of the mayor,
and that's what I disagreed with.
It was the mayor who issued the mandatory evancutation order, with the
governor standing right next to him (remember, it was in the nola.com
link you provided along with several other links -- you know, it's the
one where the governor said the president had called to urge a
mandatory evactuation).
Glad to see that you now realize that his authority was, in fact,
limited to the city limits.
With the governor standing right there, he could have asked her to
authorize buses leaving the city limits full of people who had no
transportation. It's in the state plan, after all. With all those
people about to be stranded, a killer hurricane bearing down on them,
do you think she might have given that authorization?
I'd like to see the state document -
I didn't think I needed to post the link, because I thought it was
common knowledge by now that the state plan called for using all those
buses (you know, the ones that were later flooded out). I've only
mentioned it here a dozen times or more (I'm sure WH would say more).
where is it located?
http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/plans/EOPSheltersupplement.pdf
In time, the media will catch up and understand what is going on. Soon
it will be reported that the Red Cross was blocked from taking food and
water to people stranded at the Superdome and Convention Center --
people who should have never been stranded at those shelters of last
resort, but instead should have been "evacuated" as the plan called
for. Now please stop arguing this point.
I don't need to, you have come to the understanding that I wanted you to
have. I did good.
Congratulations. So let's see -- we've now agreed there is some
responsibility for this mess at the state level. Okay, I'll accept
that. The governor, and the mayor who was standing right next to her,
should have followed the state's disaster plan, and put those buses to
use to evacuate people who were left stranded in New Orleans. Agreed?
Now that you've seen the light on that, perhaps you might catch a
glimmer of what the governor meant in her request for emergency disaster
declaration *before* Katrina hit, due to inadequate resources to handle
the impending disaster. Look up "inadequate", and then look up
"resources". I think you'll find that the state was already saying it
didn't have sufficient resources to handle the disaster. Unless you can
pull resources out of thin air, there's not much more that can be done
other than ask for help from another source. Which, btw, didn't bother
to show up for another 5 days ...
Actually, as you will soon learn, the Red Cross was standing by and
ready to take food and water to the people who were left stranded in
N.O. (by the governor AND mayor), but the Louisiana Department of
Homeland Security did not allow the Red Cross to take food and water to
the Superdome and Convention Center.
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