On Dec 24, 12:12 am, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:

On Dec 23, 11:25 am, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Dec 23, 8:00 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:

On Dec 23, 4:47 am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

On 23 Dec, 11:38, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:

There are hundreds in Guantanamo today "in case" they did something.
No proof, no trial, no nothing. This lot have obviously broken laws
and nothing is happening. Why? Why aren't they sitting in gulags too
waiting for someone to decide what to do with them?

WH

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7157993.stm

Easy Chris. America is the 'Land of the free'.

This must be 'The American Way' I suppose. Hell, it must be 'The
American Dream' too.

They should be ashamed of their Country. I marvel at their criticisms
of another Culture's human rights..something they are always
doing....whilst they are acting in an even worse way.

Really?

Most of them don't see it though, they really don't see it.

Sometimes I wonder why some of you guys never have a bad word to say
about any other culture. I'm not saying the US is perfect, but there
are worse things going on in other parts of the world, and you refuse
to acknowledge it. Why?

Human Rights Watch:

US: Stop Detainee's Return to Torture in Libya
Tripoli's No-Torture Promise Provides Insufficient Protection

[excerpt] According to the US State Department's most recent country
report on Libya, the Libyan government is currently detaining hundreds
of prisoners - many incommunicado - due solely to their association
with banned groups, such as the LIFG. The State Department report also
describes Libyan security personnel as having "routinely tortured"
persons in custody.

Human Rights Watch has documented serious allegations of torture in
its 2006 report on Libya, " Words to Deeds: The Urgent Need for Human
Rights Reform." Fifteen out of 32 prisoners interviewed by Human
Rights Watch reported having been tortured during interrogations by
Libyan security personnel in recent years. Prisoners reported being
subjected to electric shocks, hung from walls, and beaten with clubs
and wooden sticks during interrogation. [end excerpt]

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/06/15/usint16191.htm

New Report Shows Why 'Diplomatic Assurances' Don't Work
(New York, March 29, 2007) - Former Guantanamo detainees who were sent
home to Russia in 2004 experienced torture and other abuse despite
Moscow's pledge to the US government that they would be treated
humanely, Human Rights Watch said in a new report released today.

The seven Russians were all detained soon after the US invasion of
Afghanistan and eventually spent about two years in Guantanamo.
Although they complained of mistreatment by the Americans, all of the
detainees repeatedly asked authorities at Guantanamo not to be
returned to Russia because they expected to be treated worse there.
And indeed, three of them experienced serious torture and ill-
treatment after being arrested in Russia. Two of them were convicted
at unfair trials, and all of them have been harassed and hounded by
Russian law enforcement. [end excerpt]

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2007/03/29/russia15576.htm

Egypt: Torture and Coerced Confessions Used in High-Profile Terrorism
Investigation

[excerpt] Human Rights Watch determined that authorities arrested the
22 men in February and March 2006, well before their detention was
announced in April. For those first weeks, the men were held in
incommunicado detention in various SSI facilities around Cairo,
including Lazoghli, the former SSI headquarters. It was during this
initial period of detention that the worst mistreatment occurred.

As one of the 22 detainees said: "[SSI] transferred us to Lazoghli for
a taste of systematic torture . . . we were beaten up with fists and
sticks, and kicked around. [SSI] used electricity on different parts
of the body, including sensitive areas."

A former detainee of the SSI told Human Rights Watch he heard a number
of the men being interrogated at an SSI facility in Giza: "What I
heard was not just torture; it was beyond imagination," he said. "You
cannot imagine how harsh it was to hear that, the screaming, how
harshly they were tortured . . . I heard some of them screaming when
they were being electrocuted. I could hear the electricity too, the
'zizzzt, zizzzt.'" [end excerpt]

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/12/10/egypt17529.htm

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Does this justify something douglas? They do it too so it's ok for us?

There's no "too" about it. What they do goes far beyond anything done
in Guantanamo. In fact, in Guantanamo the detainees are fed meals of
their own culture. They are given copies of the Quran and prayer rugs.
And told which direction to kneel so they'll be facing Mecca. They are
not hooked up to electricity. They are not hung from walls or beaten
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There is a "too" about it douglas. These people have been kidnapped by
the Americans and now sit without any idea of their futures. Nobody's
charged them with *****, nobody' proved a fuckin' *****...why are they
still there? Waterboarding people is OK then is it...

innocent people at that 'cos as far as I know all prisoners are
innocent until PROVEN guilty.

None of the Gitmo people have been PROVEN guilty in a normal
court of law. You're, as usual, trying to defend the indefensible.

Fed their own food, copies of the quran, and prayer rugs, even told
which way Mecca is. Is that supposed to make it easier?

Is that supposed to
excuse the inhuman treatment that is dished out to them by "AMERICA"?
***** douglas...you're going straight to hell when you die
screaming! There's no fuckin' god who would condone this *****.

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:12:55 -0800, Steven Douglas wrote:

On Dec 23, 11:25 am, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Dec 23, 8:00 pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:

On Dec 23, 4:47 am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

On 23 Dec, 11:38, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:

There are hundreds in Guantanamo today "in case" they did something.
No proof, no trial, no nothing. This lot have obviously broken laws
and nothing is happening. Why? Why aren't they sitting in gulags too
waiting for someone to decide what to do with them?

WH

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7157993.stm

Easy Chris. America is the 'Land of the free'.

This must be 'The American Way' I suppose. Hell, it must be 'The
American Dream' too.

They should be ashamed of their Country. I marvel at their criticisms
of another Culture's human rights..something they are always
doing....whilst they are acting in an even worse way.

Really?

Most of them don't see it though, they really don't see it.

Sometimes I wonder why some of you guys never have a bad word to say
about any other culture. I'm not saying the US is perfect, but there
are worse things going on in other parts of the world, and you refuse
to acknowledge it. Why?

Human Rights Watch:

US: Stop Detainee's Return to Torture in Libya
Tripoli's No-Torture Promise Provides Insufficient Protection

[excerpt] According to the US State Department's most recent country
report on Libya, the Libyan government is currently detaining hundreds
of prisoners - many incommunicado - due solely to their association
with banned groups, such as the LIFG. The State Department report also
describes Libyan security personnel as having "routinely tortured"
persons in custody.

Human Rights Watch has documented serious allegations of torture in
its 2006 report on Libya, " Words to Deeds: The Urgent Need for Human
Rights Reform." Fifteen out of 32 prisoners interviewed by Human
Rights Watch reported having been tortured during interrogations by
Libyan security personnel in recent years. Prisoners reported being
subjected to electric shocks, hung from walls, and beaten with clubs
and wooden sticks during interrogation. [end excerpt]

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/06/15/usint16191.htm

New Report Shows Why 'Diplomatic Assurances' Don't Work
(New York, March 29, 2007) - Former Guantanamo detainees who were sent
home to Russia in 2004 experienced torture and other abuse despite
Moscow's pledge to the US government that they would be treated
humanely, Human Rights Watch said in a new report released today.

The seven Russians were all detained soon after the US invasion of
Afghanistan and eventually spent about two years in Guantanamo.
Although they complained of mistreatment by the Americans, all of the
detainees repeatedly asked authorities at Guantanamo not to be
returned to Russia because they expected to be treated worse there.
And indeed, three of them experienced serious torture and ill-
treatment after being arrested in Russia. Two of them were convicted
at unfair trials, and all of them have been harassed and hounded by
Russian law enforcement. [end excerpt]

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2007/03/29/russia15576.htm

Egypt: Torture and Coerced Confessions Used in High-Profile Terrorism
Investigation

[excerpt] Human Rights Watch determined that authorities arrested the
22 men in February and March 2006, well before their detention was
announced in April. For those first weeks, the men were held in
incommunicado detention in various SSI facilities around Cairo,
including Lazoghli, the former SSI headquarters. It was during this
initial period of detention that the worst mistreatment occurred.

As one of the 22 detainees said: "[SSI] transferred us to Lazoghli for
a taste of systematic torture . . . we were beaten up with fists and
sticks, and kicked around. [SSI] used electricity on different parts
of the body, including sensitive areas."

A former detainee of the SSI told Human Rights Watch he heard a number
of the men being interrogated at an SSI facility in Giza: "What I
heard was not just torture; it was beyond imagination," he said. "You
cannot imagine how harsh it was to hear that, the screaming, how
harshly they were tortured . . . I heard some of them screaming when
they were being electrocuted. I could hear the electricity too, the
'zizzzt, zizzzt.'" [end excerpt]

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/12/10/egypt17529.htm

And you say what we do at Guantanamo is worse than that? Really?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Does this justify something douglas? They do it too so it's ok for us?

There's no "too" about it. What they do goes far beyond anything done
in Guantanamo. In fact, in Guantanamo the detainees are fed meals of
their own culture. They are given copies of the Quran and prayer rugs.
And told which direction to kneel so they'll be facing Mecca. They are
not hooked up to electricity. They are not hung from walls or beaten
with sticks. There is no "too" about it.

The ones at gitmo are the ones that they have little evidence on.

You should know, since it's been in the news for months (or is it years),
that we outsource the serious torture to other countries who have no
qualms about ending up with cadavers.

Yup, send 'em to places that have much lower standards than even
we have, no questions asked other than "what did they tell you".