Why Bush should go to Tel Aviv - and confront Iran
By William Kristol
Published: July 16 2006 17:38 | Last updated: July 16 2006 18:51
Why is this Arab-Israeli war different from all other Arab-Israeli
wars? Because it's not an Arab-Israeli war. Most of Israel's
traditional Arab enemies have checked out of the current conflict. The
governments of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia are, to say the
least, indifferent to the fate of Hamas and Hezbollah. The Palestine
Liberation Organization (Fatah) isn't a player. The prime mover
behind the terrorist groups who have started this war is a non-Arab
state, Iran, which wasn't involved in any of Israel's previous
wars.
What's happening in the Middle East, then, isn't just another
chapter in the Arab-Israeli conflict. What's happening is an
Islamist-Israeli war. You might even say this is part of the Islamist
war on the West--but is India part of the West? Better to say that
what's under attack is liberal democratic civilization, whose leading
representative right now happens to be the United States.
An Islamist-Israeli conflict may or may not be more dangerous than the
old Arab-Israeli conflict. Secular Arab nationalism was, after all,
also capable of posing an existential threat to Israel. And the
Islamist threat to liberal democracy may or may not turn out to be as
dangerous as the threats posed in the last century by secular forms of
irrationalism (fascism) and illiberalism (communism). But it is a new
and different threat. One needs to keep this in mind when trying to
draw useful lessons from our successes, and failures, in dealing with
the threats of the 20th century.
Here, however, is one lesson that does seem to hold: States matter.
Regimes matter. Ideological movements become more dangerous when they
become governing regimes of major nations. Communism became really
dangerous when it seized control of Russia. National socialism became
really dangerous when it seized control of Germany. Islamism became
really dangerous when it seized control of Iran - which then became, as
it has been for the last 27 years, the Islamic Republic of Iran.
No Islamic Republic of Iran, no Hezbollah. No Islamic Republic of Iran,
no one to prop up the Assad regime in Syria. No Iranian support for
Syria (a secular government that has its own reasons for needing
Iranian help and for supporting Hezbollah and Hamas), little state
sponsorship of Hamas and Hezbollah. And no Shi'ite Iranian
revolution, far less of an impetus for the Saudis to finance the export
of the Wahhabi version of Sunni Islam as a competitor to Khomeini's
claim for leadership of militant Islam - and thus no Taliban rule in
Afghanistan, and perhaps no Hamas either.
It's of course true that Hamas - an arm of the Sunni Muslim
Brotherhood - is at odds ideologically with Shia Iran, and that Shia
and Sunni seem inclined to dislike, even slaughter, each other
elsewhere in the Middle East. But temporary alliances of convenience
are no less dangerous because they are temporary. Tell the Poles of
1939, and the French of 1940, that they really had little to worry
about because the Nazi-Soviet pact was bound to fall apart.
The war against radical Islamism is likely to be a long one. Radical
Islamism isn't going away anytime soon. But it will make a big
difference how strong the state sponsors, harbourers, and financiers of
radical Islamism are. Thus, our focus should be less on Hamas and
Hezbollah, and more on their paymasters and real commanders - Syria and
Iran. And our focus should be not only on the regional war in the
Middle East, but also on the global struggle against radical Islamism.
For while Syria and Iran are enemies of Israel, they are also enemies
of the United States. We have done a poor job of standing up to them
and weakening them. They are now testing us more boldly than one would
have thought possible a few years ago. Weakness is provocative. We have
been too weak, and have allowed ourselves to be perceived as weak.
The right response is renewed strength - in supporting the governments
of Iraq and Afghanistan, in standing with Israel, and in pursuing
regime change in Syria and Iran. For that matter, we might consider
countering this act of Iranian aggression with a military strike
against Iranian nuclear facilities. Why wait? Does anyone think a
nuclear Iran can be contained? That the current regime will negotiate
in good faith? It would be easier to act sooner rather than later. Yes,
there would be repercussions - and they would be healthy ones, showing
a strong America that has rejected further appeasement.
But such a military strike would take a while to organize. In the
meantime, perhaps President Bush can fly from the silly G8 summit in
St. Petersburg - a summit that will most likely convey a message of
moral confusion and political indecision - to Jerusalem, the capital of
a nation that stands with us, and is willing to fight with us, against
our common enemies. This is our war, too.
William Kristol is editor of The Weekly Standard; this article appears
by arrangement with that publication
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Why Bush should go to Tel Aviv - and confront Iran
By William Kristol
Published: July 16 2006 17:38 | Last updated: July 16 2006 18:51
Why is this Arab-Israeli war different from all other Arab-Israeli
wars? Because it's not an Arab-Israeli war. Most of Israel's
traditional Arab enemies have checked out of the current conflict. The
governments of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia are, to say the
least, indifferent to the fate of Hamas and Hezbollah. The Palestine
Liberation Organization (Fatah) isn't a player. The prime mover
behind the terrorist groups who have started this war is a non-Arab
state, Iran, which wasn't involved in any of Israel's previous
wars.
I was taught in college that Iranians are Arabs,
and that Iran is an Arabic country. That is what I
was taught when I took geography in college
over a decade ago
What's happening in the Middle East, then, isn't just another
chapter in the Arab-Israeli conflict. What's happening is an
Islamist-Israeli war. You might even say this is part of the Islamist
war on the West--but is India part of the West? Better to say that
what's under attack is liberal democratic civilization, whose leading
representative right now happens to be the United States.
An Islamist-Israeli conflict may or may not be more dangerous than the
old Arab-Israeli conflict. Secular Arab nationalism was, after all,
also capable of posing an existential threat to Israel. And the
Islamist threat to liberal democracy may or may not turn out to be as
dangerous as the threats posed in the last century by secular forms of
irrationalism (fascism) and illiberalism (communism). But it is a new
and different threat. One needs to keep this in mind when trying to
draw useful lessons from our successes, and failures, in dealing with
the threats of the 20th century.
Here, however, is one lesson that does seem to hold: States matter.
Regimes matter. Ideological movements become more dangerous when they
become governing regimes of major nations. Communism became really
dangerous when it seized control of Russia. National socialism became
really dangerous when it seized control of Germany. Islamism became
really dangerous when it seized control of Iran - which then became, as
it has been for the last 27 years, the Islamic Republic of Iran.
No Islamic Republic of Iran, no Hezbollah. No Islamic Republic of Iran,
no one to prop up the Assad regime in Syria. No Iranian support for
Syria (a secular government that has its own reasons for needing
Iranian help and for supporting Hezbollah and Hamas), little state
sponsorship of Hamas and Hezbollah. And no Shi'ite Iranian
revolution, far less of an impetus for the Saudis to finance the export
of the Wahhabi version of Sunni Islam as a competitor to Khomeini's
claim for leadership of militant Islam - and thus no Taliban rule in
Afghanistan, and perhaps no Hamas either.
It's of course true that Hamas - an arm of the Sunni Muslim
Brotherhood - is at odds ideologically with Shia Iran, and that Shia
and Sunni seem inclined to dislike, even slaughter, each other
elsewhere in the Middle East. But temporary alliances of convenience
are no less dangerous because they are temporary. Tell the Poles of
1939, and the French of 1940, that they really had little to worry
about because the Nazi-Soviet pact was bound to fall apart.
The war against radical Islamism is likely to be a long one. Radical
Islamism isn't going away anytime soon. But it will make a big
difference how strong the state sponsors, harbourers, and financiers of
radical Islamism are. Thus, our focus should be less on Hamas and
Hezbollah, and more on their paymasters and real commanders - Syria and
Iran. And our focus should be not only on the regional war in the
Middle East, but also on the global struggle against radical Islamism.
For while Syria and Iran are enemies of Israel, they are also enemies
of the United States. We have done a poor job of standing up to them
and weakening them. They are now testing us more boldly than one would
have thought possible a few years ago. Weakness is provocative. We have
been too weak, and have allowed ourselves to be perceived as weak.
The right response is renewed strength - in supporting the governments
of Iraq and Afghanistan, in standing with Israel, and in pursuing
regime change in Syria and Iran. For that matter, we might consider
countering this act of Iranian aggression with a military strike
against Iranian nuclear facilities. Why wait? Does anyone think a
nuclear Iran can be contained? That the current regime will negotiate
in good faith? It would be easier to act sooner rather than later. Yes,
there would be repercussions - and they would be healthy ones, showing
a strong America that has rejected further appeasement.
But such a military strike would take a while to organize. In the
meantime, perhaps President Bush can fly from the silly G8 summit in
St. Petersburg - a summit that will most likely convey a message of
moral confusion and political indecision - to Jerusalem, the capital of
a nation that stands with us, and is willing to fight with us, against
our common enemies. This is our war, too.
William Kristol is editor of The Weekly Standard; this article appears
by arrangement with that publication
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Why Bush should go to Tel Aviv - and confront Iran
By William Kristol
Published: July 16 2006 17:38 | Last updated: July 16 2006 18:51
Why is this Arab-Israeli war different from all other Arab-Israeli
wars? Because it's not an Arab-Israeli war. Most of Israel's
traditional Arab enemies have checked out of the current conflict. The
governments of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia are, to say the
least, indifferent to the fate of Hamas and Hezbollah. The Palestine
Liberation Organization (Fatah) isn't a player. The prime mover
behind the terrorist groups who have started this war is a non-Arab
state, Iran, which wasn't involved in any of Israel's previous
wars.
I was taught in college that Iranians are Arabs,
and that Iran is an Arabic country. That is what I
was taught when I took geography in college
over a decade ago
Hmmm...Persian and the language is Farsi I think, but I didn't
take geography in college. Iran is Muslim though.
S~
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Why Bush should go to Tel Aviv - and confront Iran
By William Kristol
Published: July 16 2006 17:38 | Last updated: July 16 2006 18:51
Why is this Arab-Israeli war different from all other Arab-Israeli
wars? Because it's not an Arab-Israeli war. Most of Israel's
traditional Arab enemies have checked out of the current conflict. The
governments of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia are, to say the
least, indifferent to the fate of Hamas and Hezbollah. The Palestine
Liberation Organization (Fatah) isn't a player. The prime mover
behind the terrorist groups who have started this war is a non-Arab
state, Iran, which wasn't involved in any of Israel's previous
wars.
I was taught in college that Iranians are Arabs,
and that Iran is an Arabic country. That is what I
was taught when I took geography in college
over a decade ago
Hmmm...Persian and the language is Farsi I think, but I didn't
take geography in college. Iran is Muslim though.
Well, when I put down Farsi on a multiple choice
exam, the professor had Arabic on the master
answer key, and I got that one wrong, as a result of
marking the choice for Farsi. I have always thought
that Arabic was the language of Iran, becuase I
was marked wrong once when I selected the choice
for Farsi on an exam.
S~
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Why Bush should go to Tel Aviv - and confront Iran
By William Kristol
Published: July 16 2006 17:38 | Last updated: July 16 2006 18:51
Why is this Arab-Israeli war different from all other Arab-Israeli
wars? Because it's not an Arab-Israeli war. Most of Israel's
traditional Arab enemies have checked out of the current conflict. The
governments of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia are, to say the
least, indifferent to the fate of Hamas and Hezbollah. The Palestine
Liberation Organization (Fatah) isn't a player. The prime mover
behind the terrorist groups who have started this war is a non-Arab
state, Iran, which wasn't involved in any of Israel's previous
wars.
I was taught in college that Iranians are Arabs,
and that Iran is an Arabic country. That is what I
was taught when I took geography in college
over a decade ago
Hmmm...Persian and the language is Farsi I think, but I didn't
take geography in college. Iran is Muslim though.
Well, when I put down Farsi on a multiple choice
exam, the professor had Arabic on the master
answer key, and I got that one wrong, as a result of
marking the choice for Farsi. I have always thought
that Arabic was the language of Iran, becuase I
was marked wrong once when I selected the choice
for Farsi on an exam.
You should have fought for that point. Only 3% of the country is Arabic
(the wikipedia entry doesn't state what percentage of the population
speaks Arabic, but it does state that Islamic texts are translated into
Persian (Farsi), which would be pointless if they already spoke arabic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran
Woods
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Why Bush should go to Tel Aviv - and confront Iran
By William Kristol
Published: July 16 2006 17:38 | Last updated: July 16 2006 18:51
Why is this Arab-Israeli war different from all other Arab-Israeli
wars? Because it's not an Arab-Israeli war. Most of Israel's
traditional Arab enemies have checked out of the current conflict. The
governments of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia are, to say the
least, indifferent to the fate of Hamas and Hezbollah. The Palestine
Liberation Organization (Fatah) isn't a player. The prime mover
behind the terrorist groups who have started this war is a non-Arab
state, Iran, which wasn't involved in any of Israel's previous
wars.
I was taught in college that Iranians are Arabs,
and that Iran is an Arabic country. That is what I
was taught when I took geography in college
over a decade ago
Hmmm...Persian and the language is Farsi I think, but I didn't
take geography in college. Iran is Muslim though.
Well, when I put down Farsi on a multiple choice
exam, the professor had Arabic on the master
answer key, and I got that one wrong, as a result of
marking the choice for Farsi. I have always thought
that Arabic was the language of Iran, becuase I
was marked wrong once when I selected the choice
for Farsi on an exam.
You should have fought for that point. Only 3% of the country is Arabic
(the wikipedia entry doesn't state what percentage of the population
speaks Arabic, but it does state that Islamic texts are translated into
Persian (Farsi), which would be pointless if they already spoke arabic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran
Woods
There are about seven or eight spoken languages in Iran.
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Why Bush should go to Tel Aviv - and confront Iran
By William Kristol
Published: July 16 2006 17:38 | Last updated: July 16 2006 18:51
Why is this Arab-Israeli war different from all other Arab-Israeli
wars? Because it's not an Arab-Israeli war. Most of Israel's
traditional Arab enemies have checked out of the current conflict. The
governments of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia are, to say the
least, indifferent to the fate of Hamas and Hezbollah. The Palestine
Liberation Organization (Fatah) isn't a player. The prime mover
behind the terrorist groups who have started this war is a non-Arab
state, Iran, which wasn't involved in any of Israel's previous
wars.
I was taught in college that Iranians are Arabs,
and that Iran is an Arabic country. That is what I
was taught when I took geography in college
over a decade ago
Hmmm...Persian and the language is Farsi I think, but I didn't
take geography in college. Iran is Muslim though.
Well, when I put down Farsi on a multiple choice
exam, the professor had Arabic on the master
answer key, and I got that one wrong, as a result of
marking the choice for Farsi. I have always thought
that Arabic was the language of Iran, becuase I
was marked wrong once when I selected the choice
for Farsi on an exam.
You should have fought for that point. Only 3% of the country is Arabic
(the wikipedia entry doesn't state what percentage of the population
speaks Arabic, but it does state that Islamic texts are translated into
Persian (Farsi), which would be pointless if they already spoke arabic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran
Woods
There are about seven or eight spoken languages in Iran.
Um ... yes, I know. I read the article for which I posted a link.
Woods
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Why Bush should go to Tel Aviv - and confront Iran
By William Kristol
Published: July 16 2006 17:38 | Last updated: July 16 2006 18:51
Why is this Arab-Israeli war different from all other Arab-Israeli
wars? Because it's not an Arab-Israeli war. Most of Israel's
traditional Arab enemies have checked out of the current conflict. The
governments of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia are, to say the
least, indifferent to the fate of Hamas and Hezbollah. The Palestine
Liberation Organization (Fatah) isn't a player. The prime mover
behind the terrorist groups who have started this war is a non-Arab
state, Iran, which wasn't involved in any of Israel's previous
wars.
I was taught in college that Iranians are Arabs,
and that Iran is an Arabic country. That is what I
was taught when I took geography in college
over a decade ago
Which college was that?
http://www.iranchamber.com/people/iranian_ethnic_groups.php
Woods
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and they would be healthy ones, showing
a strong America that has rejected further appeasement.
But such a military strike would take a while to organize. In the
meantime, perhaps President Bush can fly from the silly G8 summit in
St. Petersburg - a summit that will most likely convey a message of
moral confusion and political indecision - to Jerusalem, the capital of
a nation that stands with us, and is willing to fight with us, against
our common enemies. This is our war, too.
William Kristol is editor of The Weekly Standard; this article appears
by arrangement with that publication
Let us hope Bush does go and just maybe he can be kidnapped and we can
watch the snuff movie, Yippee!
LB
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