The standard
CXQ072. The year 1999, seventh month, From the sky will come a great King of
debt payers/Terror: To bring back to life the great King of the
Angouleme/Mongols 3, Before and after Mars to reign by good luck.
3 King of the Mongols = Ghengiz Khan
LXXII. L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois, Du ciel viendra un grand
Roi d'effrayeur 1: Ressusciter le grand Roi d'Angolmois 2, Avant aprés Mars
regner par bon-heur.
1 effrayeur = OF: effrayeur terror
2 Anglomois = anagram OF: Mongolois Mongols
Having watched many posters try and unravel this one, well it is the most
quoted and the only one with a contempory date, in the Nostradamus cannon.
So why is it about a Mother of all September 11ths it represents the coup de
grace of the economic system, and of course is going to polarize the planet
in its scope and scale.
Now just because nothing has happened yet regarding this one is because
events upcoming lead directly to this one, after all UBL is still gathering
a following, [interesting to note if the global vote included our erstwhile
bugbear I wonder how he would do in the poll.]
But lets get back to the Q now to me being a somewhat sceptical viewer, I
look at the rhyme and ask "so what is being said here apparently on a set
month during a set year a Debt payer king will come from the skies, who will
bring forth either a French king whose bloodline stems from Angouleme, or as
an anagram of a branch of Mongols who will be lucky in the military arts
before and after the date of 1999."
So to an objective person one asks from the sky in 1999 will come this king,
in July two leaders came to the fore, one being Romano Prodi, as president
of the EU, and in Morocco prince Muhammed took the throne after his father
died, ok and just for the astro kids yes in August there was also a
conjunction that corresponds to the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse, but also
apart from Clinton who was at that time almost resident in airforce one,
there were other comings and goings, that will have a far reaching legacy
October saw Yeltsin and Jemin sign a treaty to get Chechnya and Taiwan.
Then again in October saw a man who was CIC of the armed forces in Pakistan
who assumed power from a 737 whilst still airborne.
Now being a sceptic I ask so which of these events is the most important
being a student of matters historical, I see the debt payer king being the
most significant, because although most prohecies quoted come from the
Quatrains, there is also 2 letters that give a flow of historical events,
and one of these in metaphor describes such a debt paying individual who
being born at the time of the Nazis, will free billions from the yoke of
debt, and go on to humiliate the Usurers, a reversal of fortune.
Epistle chapter 30
And hereupon it is that there is born of a branch long sterile one who will
deliver the people of the world from this benevolent slavery to which they
had voluntary submitted. He will put himself under the protection of
Mars,(War) stripping Jupiter (The West) of all his honours and dignities,
and establish himself in the free city in another scant Mesopotamia
(Kashmir)
Now the importance of being debt free is also explained in other Quatrains
the most used word quoted in Nostradamus was Terror ther is also another one
Profligacy.
Nostradamus was also quite good at being ambiguous so debt payer can also be
terror, after all being nuclear armed, and being lucky in battle is not
going to be very good as an adversary.
Now no one has correctly predicted a Quatrain let alone an event from
Nostradamus, but like anything it is subject to change, watch and learn!
LB
Thanks to PLM
For reference, please compare the following:
"Parochus...Vng deffraieur, qui nous fournist
de tout ce qu'il nous fault par les chemins." (Estienne,
Dictionarium Latinogallicum, 1st edition,1538)
[Or in English: 'Parochus (purveyor)... A provider/host who furnishes
us with everything that we need for the road'. Note the spelling
'deffraieur' - exactly the same as in the original version of verse
X.72 of only 30 years later]
"Parochus...Un deffrayeur, qui nous fournist de tout ce qu'il nous
fault par les chemins." (Estienne, Dictionarium Latinogallicum, 3rd
edition, 1552)
"Defrayeur: m. A Cater, or Steward; one that in a
iourney furnishes, and defrayes the prouision, and expence of the
whole companie." (Cotgrave, 1611)
This could almost suggest the meaning 'host'...
"de.fray vt [MF deffrayer, fr. des- de- + frayer to expend, fr. OF,
fr. (assumed) OF frai expenditure, lit., damage by breaking, fr. L
fractum, neut. of fractus, pp. of frangere to break--more at break]
(1536) 1: to provide for the payment of: pay 2 archaic: to bear the
expenses of -- de.fray.able adj -- de.fray.al n"
Copyright (c) 1994 Merriam-Webster, Inc. All Rights Reserved
Todd Carroll _ And while on this subject, "deffraieur" is not the same as
"d'effraieur" meaning "of terror" but rather means "defrayer" as in a payer
of debts. I have no idea why this is supposed to bring about the end of the
world. The apostrophe is usually added by believers in Nosty
from Leoni 1961
CXQ 72. Since this is the only dated one (not counting configurations), with
a date still to come, it is of great interest. In September, 1999, a "King
of Terror" will come. "From the sky if taken literally, would be both real
prophecy and a justification for putting some credence in its possibilities
of fulfillment. Line 3 must needs hold the key to all of it. If Angolmois is
Angoumois (capital, Angouleme), we presumably have a reference to the House
of Angouleme, which provided France with Francis I, his son Henry II and his
grandsons Francis II, Charles IX and Henry III, though the name "Valois" was
left officially. Yet neither Francis nor Henry would seem to qualify as a
King of Terror, nor is there any such in the history of the region. Unless
some third possible meaning is discovered, it must be noted that Angolmois
is an anagram for "Mongolois", which would give us Genghiz Khan, highly
suitable as a King of Terror. Line 4 is rather general. Mars is of course
the god of war. This quatrain will probably be a favorite in Peking.
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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31 Oct 2004 07:46:10 AM |
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LeighBee a écrit:
The standard
CXQ072. The year 1999, seventh month, From the sky will come a great King of
debt payers/Terror: To bring back to life the great King of the
Angouleme/Mongols 3, Before and after Mars to reign by good luck.
3 King of the Mongols = Ghengiz Khan
LXXII. L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois, Du ciel viendra un grand
Roi d'effrayeur 1: Ressusciter le grand Roi d'Angolmois 2, Avant aprés Mars
regner par bon-heur.
1 effrayeur = OF: effrayeur terror
2 Anglomois = anagram OF: Mongolois Mongols
Having watched many posters try and unravel this one, well it is the most
quoted and the only one with a contempory date, in the Nostradamus cannon.
So why is it about a Mother of all September 11ths it represents the coup de
grace of the economic system, and of course is going to polarize the planet
in its scope and scale.
Now just because nothing has happened yet regarding this one is because
events upcoming lead directly to this one, after all UBL is still gathering
a following, [interesting to note if the global vote included our erstwhile
bugbear I wonder how he would do in the poll.]
But lets get back to the Q now to me being a somewhat sceptical viewer, I
look at the rhyme and ask "so what is being said here apparently on a set
month during a set year a Debt payer king will come from the skies, who will
bring forth either a French king whose bloodline stems from Angouleme, or as
an anagram of a branch of Mongols who will be lucky in the military arts
before and after the date of 1999."
So to an objective person one asks from the sky in 1999 will come this king,
in July two leaders came to the fore, one being Romano Prodi, as president
of the EU, and in Morocco prince Muhammed took the throne after his father
died, ok and just for the astro kids yes in August there was also a
conjunction that corresponds to the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse, but also
apart from Clinton who was at that time almost resident in airforce one,
there were other comings and goings, that will have a far reaching legacy
October saw Yeltsin and Jemin sign a treaty to get Chechnya and Taiwan.
Then again in October saw a man who was CIC of the armed forces in Pakistan
who assumed power from a 737 whilst still airborne.
Now being a sceptic I ask so which of these events is the most important
being a student of matters historical, I see the debt payer king being the
most significant, because although most prohecies quoted come from the
Quatrains, there is also 2 letters that give a flow of historical events,
and one of these in metaphor describes such a debt paying individual who
being born at the time of the Nazis, will free billions from the yoke of
debt, and go on to humiliate the Usurers, a reversal of fortune.
Epistle chapter 30
And hereupon it is that there is born of a branch long sterile one who will
deliver the people of the world from this benevolent slavery to which they
had voluntary submitted. He will put himself under the protection of
Mars,(War) stripping Jupiter (The West) of all his honours and dignities,
and establish himself in the free city in another scant Mesopotamia
(Kashmir)
Now the importance of being debt free is also explained in other Quatrains
the most used word quoted in Nostradamus was Terror ther is also another one
Profligacy.
Nostradamus was also quite good at being ambiguous so debt payer can also be
terror, after all being nuclear armed, and being lucky in battle is not
going to be very good as an adversary.
Now no one has correctly predicted a Quatrain let alone an event from
Nostradamus, but like anything it is subject to change, watch and learn!
LB
Thanks to PLM
For reference, please compare the following:
"Parochus...Vng deffraieur, qui nous fournist
de tout ce qu'il nous fault par les chemins." (Estienne,
Dictionarium Latinogallicum, 1st edition,1538)
[Or in English: 'Parochus (purveyor)... A provider/host who furnishes
us with everything that we need for the road'. Note the spelling
'deffraieur' - exactly the same as in the original version of verse
X.72 of only 30 years later]
"Parochus...Un deffrayeur, qui nous fournist de tout ce qu'il nous
fault par les chemins." (Estienne, Dictionarium Latinogallicum, 3rd
edition, 1552)
"Defrayeur: m. A Cater, or Steward; one that in a
iourney furnishes, and defrayes the prouision, and expence of the
whole companie." (Cotgrave, 1611)
This could almost suggest the meaning 'host'...
"de.fray vt [MF deffrayer, fr. des- de- + frayer to expend, fr. OF,
fr. (assumed) OF frai expenditure, lit., damage by breaking, fr. L
fractum, neut. of fractus, pp. of frangere to break--more at break]
(1536) 1: to provide for the payment of: pay 2 archaic: to bear the
expenses of -- de.fray.able adj -- de.fray.al n"
Copyright (c) 1994 Merriam-Webster, Inc. All Rights Reserved
Exactly, only ONE f.
D(')effrayeur has two.
At the very least nostradamus would have written desfrayeur, well
desfraieur in fact.
You losers ignore the fundamental facts about the Seer and the .
reality that in many other places, the publisher has forgotten to put
the space between the words. Here are a few:
http://www.michelnostradamus.org/debateX72.html
But that is the way the cookie crumble. It will probably take a
University faculty and real dedicated exegetes like me and many more to
debunk such garbage. But whatever it will take, one day the world will
see that most of the prophecies have happened, and they will know then
who is right and who is a fraud.
J.
Todd Carroll _ And while on this subject, "deffraieur" is not the same as
"d'effraieur" meaning "of terror" but rather means "defrayer" as in a payer
of debts. I have no idea why this is supposed to bring about the end of the
world. The apostrophe is usually added by believers in Nosty
from Leoni 1961
CXQ 72. Since this is the only dated one (not counting configurations), with
a date still to come, it is of great interest. In September, 1999, a "King
of Terror" will come. "From the sky if taken literally, would be both real
prophecy and a justification for putting some credence in its possibilities
of fulfillment. Line 3 must needs hold the key to all of it. If Angolmois is
Angoumois (capital, Angouleme), we presumably have a reference to the House
of Angouleme, which provided France with Francis I, his son Henry II and his
grandsons Francis II, Charles IX and Henry III, though the name "Valois" was
left officially. Yet neither Francis nor Henry would seem to qualify as a
King of Terror, nor is there any such in the history of the region. Unless
some third possible meaning is discovered, it must be noted that Angolmois
is an anagram for "Mongolois", which would give us Genghiz Khan, highly
suitable as a King of Terror. Line 4 is rather general. Mars is of course
the god of war. This quatrain will probably be a favorite in Peking.
.
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| User: "Leigh_Bee" |
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| Title: Re: why CXQ072 is the Mother of All September 11ths |
31 Oct 2004 04:21:05 PM |
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Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<B06hd.3655135$ic1.370015@news.easynews.com>...
LeighBee a écrit:
The standard
CXQ072. The year 1999, seventh month, From the sky will come a great King of
debt payers/Terror: To bring back to life the great King of the
Angouleme/Mongols 3, Before and after Mars to reign by good luck.
3 King of the Mongols = Ghengiz Khan
LXXII. L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois, Du ciel viendra un grand
Roi d'effrayeur 1: Ressusciter le grand Roi d'Angolmois 2, Avant aprés Mars
regner par bon-heur.
1 effrayeur = OF: effrayeur terror
2 Anglomois = anagram OF: Mongolois Mongols
SNIP
Epistle chapter 30
And hereupon it is that there is born of a branch long sterile one who will
deliver the people of the world from this benevolent slavery to which they
had voluntary submitted. He will put himself under the protection of
Mars,(War) stripping Jupiter (The West) of all his honours and dignities,
and establish himself in the free city in another scant Mesopotamia
(Kashmir)
to change, watch and learn!
LB
Thanks to PLM
For reference, please compare the following:
"Parochus...Vng deffraieur, qui nous fournist
de tout ce qu'il nous fault par les chemins." (Estienne,
Dictionarium Latinogallicum, 1st edition,1538)
[Or in English: 'Parochus (purveyor)... A provider/host who furnishes
us with everything that we need for the road'. Note the spelling
'deffraieur' - exactly the same as in the original version of verse
X.72 of only 30 years later]
"Parochus...Un deffrayeur, qui nous fournist de tout ce qu'il nous
fault par les chemins." (Estienne, Dictionarium Latinogallicum, 3rd
edition, 1552)
"Defrayeur: m. A Cater, or Steward; one that in a
iourney furnishes, and defrayes the prouision, and expence of the
whole companie." (Cotgrave, 1611)
This could almost suggest the meaning 'host'...
"de.fray vt [MF deffrayer, fr. des- de- + frayer to expend, fr. OF,
fr. (assumed) OF frai expenditure, lit., damage by breaking, fr. L
fractum, neut. of fractus, pp. of frangere to break--more at break]
(1536) 1: to provide for the payment of: pay 2 archaic: to bear the
expenses of -- de.fray.able adj -- de.fray.al n"
Copyright (c) 1994 Merriam-Webster, Inc. All Rights Reserved
Exactly, only ONE f.
D(')effrayeur has two.
At the very least nostradamus would have written desfrayeur, well
desfraieur in fact.
But the accepted text is the 1568 model being the first to have all
the Q's and probably the most faithfully to intent.
That being so the Epistle gives extra weight by describing the event
in a paragraph, not just a word, that by apocope gives the ambiguity,
of terror both being correct, it is repeated in Angolmois.
Though that will only be confirmed by the latter.
You losers ignore the fundamental facts about the Seer and the .
reality that in many other places, the publisher has forgotten to put
the space between the words. Here are a few:
http://www.michelnostradamus.org/debateX72.html
Word play has its own connotations and how folk interpret them is
instructive, but etymology seems to lie at the heart of the game,
after all one cannot tell the enemy too much!
But that is the way the cookie crumble. It will probably take a
University faculty and real dedicated exegetes like me and many more to
debunk such garbage.
They have not got passed Randi, and he has pretty well debunked them
all, check out Hogues 10 & 10.
But whatever it will take, one day the world will
see that most of the prophecies have happened, and they will know then
who is right and who is a fraud.
J.
The case for that is debatable again as since Nostradamus is
considered the creed of the Kook, not a rational clear and concise
Prophet.
LB
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| User: "tw" |
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02 Nov 2004 02:08:12 AM |
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"Leigh_Bee" <leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:39cd5fe.0410311421.1ee4fa2b@posting.google.com...
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:<B06hd.3655135$ic1.370015@news.easynews.com>...
LeighBee a écrit:
The standard
CXQ072. The year 1999, seventh month, From the sky will come a great
King of
debt payers/Terror: To bring back to life the great King of the
Angouleme/Mongols 3, Before and after Mars to reign by good luck.
3 King of the Mongols = Ghengiz Khan
LXXII. L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois, Du ciel viendra un
grand
Roi d'effrayeur 1: Ressusciter le grand Roi d'Angolmois 2, Avant aprés
Mars
regner par bon-heur.
1 effrayeur = OF: effrayeur terror
2 Anglomois = anagram OF: Mongolois Mongols
SNIP
Epistle chapter 30
And hereupon it is that there is born of a branch long sterile one who
will
deliver the people of the world from this benevolent slavery to which
they
had voluntary submitted. He will put himself under the protection of
Mars,(War) stripping Jupiter (The West) of all his honours and
dignities,
and establish himself in the free city in another scant Mesopotamia
(Kashmir)
to change, watch and learn!
LB
Thanks to PLM
For reference, please compare the following:
"Parochus...Vng deffraieur, qui nous fournist
de tout ce qu'il nous fault par les chemins." (Estienne,
Dictionarium Latinogallicum, 1st edition,1538)
[Or in English: 'Parochus (purveyor)... A provider/host who furnishes
us with everything that we need for the road'. Note the spelling
'deffraieur' - exactly the same as in the original version of verse
X.72 of only 30 years later]
"Parochus...Un deffrayeur, qui nous fournist de tout ce qu'il nous
fault par les chemins." (Estienne, Dictionarium Latinogallicum, 3rd
edition, 1552)
"Defrayeur: m. A Cater, or Steward; one that in a
iourney furnishes, and defrayes the prouision, and expence of the
whole companie." (Cotgrave, 1611)
This could almost suggest the meaning 'host'...
"de.fray vt [MF deffrayer, fr. des- de- + frayer to expend, fr. OF,
fr. (assumed) OF frai expenditure, lit., damage by breaking, fr. L
fractum, neut. of fractus, pp. of frangere to break--more at break]
(1536) 1: to provide for the payment of: pay 2 archaic: to bear the
expenses of -- de.fray.able adj -- de.fray.al n"
Copyright (c) 1994 Merriam-Webster, Inc. All Rights Reserved
Exactly, only ONE f.
D(')effrayeur has two.
At the very least nostradamus would have written desfrayeur, well
desfraieur in fact.
But the accepted text is the 1568 model being the first to have all
the Q's and probably the most faithfully to intent.
That being so the Epistle gives extra weight by describing the event
in a paragraph, not just a word, that by apocope gives the ambiguity,
of terror both being correct, it is repeated in Angolmois.
Though that will only be confirmed by the latter.
You losers ignore the fundamental facts about the Seer and the .
reality that in many other places, the publisher has forgotten to put
the space between the words. Here are a few:
http://www.michelnostradamus.org/debateX72.html
Word play has its own connotations and how folk interpret them is
instructive, but etymology seems to lie at the heart of the game,
after all one cannot tell the enemy too much!
But that is the way the cookie crumble. It will probably take a
University faculty and real dedicated exegetes like me and many more to
debunk such garbage.
They have not got passed Randi, and he has pretty well debunked them
all, check out Hogues 10 & 10.
But whatever it will take, one day the world will
see that most of the prophecies have happened, and they will know then
who is right and who is a fraud.
J.
The case for that is debatable again as since Nostradamus is
considered the creed of the Kook, not a rational clear and concise
Prophet.
LB
As a matter of interest, can you name a "rational clear and concise
prophet"?
TIA
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| User: "Leigh_Bee" |
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| Title: Re: why CXQ072 is the Mother of All September 11ths |
02 Nov 2004 03:57:56 PM |
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:<cm7f2o$6v$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>...
SNIP
They have not got passed Randi, and he has pretty well debunked them
all, check out Hogues 10 & 10.
But whatever it will take, one day the world will
see that most of the prophecies have happened, and they will know then
who is right and who is a fraud.
J.
The case for that is debatable again as since Nostradamus is
considered the creed of the Kook, not a rational clear and concise
Prophet.
LB
As a matter of interest, can you name a "rational clear and concise
prophet"?
TIA
Well yes most are, it is mostly the interpretation given that makes it suss.
Given to sensationalising the text to suit their agendas.
So it is either BS, or it has not been called correctly.
LB
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| User: "tw" |
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03 Nov 2004 03:13:41 AM |
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"Leigh_Bee" <leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:39cd5fe.0411021357.3b173a44@posting.google.com...
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
news:<cm7f2o$6v$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>...
SNIP
They have not got passed Randi, and he has pretty well debunked
them
all, check out Hogues 10 & 10.
But whatever it will take, one day the world will
see that most of the prophecies have happened, and they will know
then
who is right and who is a fraud.
J.
The case for that is debatable again as since Nostradamus is
considered the creed of the Kook, not a rational clear and concise
Prophet.
LB
As a matter of interest, can you name a "rational clear and concise
prophet"?
TIA
Well yes most are, it is mostly the interpretation given that makes it
suss.
Oookay. I agree that it is the interpretations that cause most of teh
trouble, but I must admit I have difficulty envisgaing someone who claims to
be a prophet as being rational. But maybe that's not what you meant.
Given to sensationalising the text to suit their agendas.
So it is either BS, or it has not been called correctly.
LB
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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01 Nov 2004 11:25:06 AM |
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Leigh_Bee a écrit:
Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<B06hd.3655135$ic1.370015@news.easynews.com>...
LeighBee a écrit:
The standard
CXQ072. The year 1999, seventh month, From the sky will come a great King of
debt payers/Terror: To bring back to life the great King of the
Angouleme/Mongols 3, Before and after Mars to reign by good luck.
3 King of the Mongols = Ghengiz Khan
LXXII. L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois, Du ciel viendra un grand
Roi d'effrayeur 1: Ressusciter le grand Roi d'Angolmois 2, Avant aprés Mars
regner par bon-heur.
1 effrayeur = OF: effrayeur terror
2 Anglomois = anagram OF: Mongolois Mongols
SNIP
Epistle chapter 30
And hereupon it is that there is born of a branch long sterile one who will
deliver the people of the world from this benevolent slavery to which they
had voluntary submitted. He will put himself under the protection of
Mars,(War) stripping Jupiter (The West) of all his honours and dignities,
and establish himself in the free city in another scant Mesopotamia
(Kashmir)
to change, watch and learn!
LB
Thanks to PLM
For reference, please compare the following:
"Parochus...Vng deffraieur, qui nous fournist
de tout ce qu'il nous fault par les chemins." (Estienne,
Dictionarium Latinogallicum, 1st edition,1538)
[Or in English: 'Parochus (purveyor)... A provider/host who furnishes
us with everything that we need for the road'. Note the spelling
'deffraieur' - exactly the same as in the original version of verse
X.72 of only 30 years later]
"Parochus...Un deffrayeur, qui nous fournist de tout ce qu'il nous
fault par les chemins." (Estienne, Dictionarium Latinogallicum, 3rd
edition, 1552)
Leigh,
Remember that this is the only place where there is two f, and in the
preceding and all subsequent edition, it is corrected with having one f.
This is merely a typo.
"Defrayeur: m. A Cater, or Steward; one that in a
iourney furnishes, and defrayes the prouision, and expence of the
whole companie." (Cotgrave, 1611)
This could almost suggest the meaning 'host'...
"de.fray vt [MF deffrayer, fr. des- de- + frayer to expend, fr. OF,
fr. (assumed) OF frai expenditure, lit., damage by breaking, fr. L
fractum, neut. of fractus, pp. of frangere to break--more at break]
(1536) 1: to provide for the payment of: pay 2 archaic: to bear the
expenses of -- de.fray.able adj -- de.fray.al n"
Copyright (c) 1994 Merriam-Webster, Inc. All Rights Reserved
Exactly, only ONE f.
D(')effrayeur has two.
At the very least nostradamus would have written desfrayeur, well
desfraieur in fact.
But the accepted text is the 1568 model being the first to have all
the Q's and probably the most faithfully to intent.
That being so the Epistle gives extra weight by describing the event
in a paragraph, not just a word, that by apocope gives the ambiguity,
of terror both being correct, it is repeated in Angolmois.
Though that will only be confirmed by the latter.
You losers ignore the fundamental facts about the Seer and the .
reality that in many other places, the publisher has forgotten to put
the space between the words. Here are a few:
http://www.michelnostradamus.org/debateX72.html
Word play has its own connotations and how folk interpret them is
instructive, but etymology seems to lie at the heart of the game,
after all one cannot tell the enemy too much!
But that is the way the cookie crumble. It will probably take a
University faculty and real dedicated exegetes like me and many more to
debunk such garbage.
They have not got passed Randi, and he has pretty well debunked them
all, check out Hogues 10 & 10.
Well, I don't have Hogue on record on that, but 10,10 (if that is what
you mean) is about the antichrists according to Lemesurier even, also
according to me, and the two Fontbrune(s), and J-Q Laroche-Valmont, and
Corjava, and S. Hutin. Only Cheetham thinks it is about Napoleon. And of
the other exegetes I have read, only Shlosser sees it in a more abstract
way, something like war itself being the scourge of humanity, not very
convincing. Anyway.
But whatever it will take, one day the world will
see that most of the prophecies have happened, and they will know then
who is right and who is a fraud.
J.
The case for that is debatable again as since Nostradamus is
considered the creed of the Kook, not a rational clear and concise
Prophet.
LB
Until then...
J.
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| User: "Thierry Vigneron" |
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| Title: Re: why CXQ072 is the Mother of All September 11ths |
31 Oct 2004 02:21:31 AM |
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there is that only one objective element in your deduction, this quatrin
speaks about Sharon Ariel (towards 3 & 4). The remainder of the quatrain
speaks about the eclipse of August 11, 1999 (towards 1 & 2)
"LeighBee" <leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au> a écrit dans le message de news:
41841709$0$22820$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
The standard
CXQ072. The year 1999, seventh month, From the sky will come a great King
of
debt payers/Terror: To bring back to life the great King of the
Angouleme/Mongols 3, Before and after Mars to reign by good luck.
3 King of the Mongols = Ghengiz Khan
LXXII. L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois, Du ciel viendra un grand
Roi d'effrayeur 1: Ressusciter le grand Roi d'Angolmois 2, Avant aprés
Mars
regner par bon-heur.
1 effrayeur = OF: effrayeur terror
2 Anglomois = anagram OF: Mongolois Mongols
Having watched many posters try and unravel this one, well it is the most
quoted and the only one with a contempory date, in the Nostradamus cannon.
So why is it about a Mother of all September 11ths it represents the coup
de
grace of the economic system, and of course is going to polarize the
planet
in its scope and scale.
Now just because nothing has happened yet regarding this one is because
events upcoming lead directly to this one, after all UBL is still
gathering
a following, [interesting to note if the global vote included our
erstwhile
bugbear I wonder how he would do in the poll.]
But lets get back to the Q now to me being a somewhat sceptical viewer, I
look at the rhyme and ask "so what is being said here apparently on a set
month during a set year a Debt payer king will come from the skies, who
will
bring forth either a French king whose bloodline stems from Angouleme, or
as
an anagram of a branch of Mongols who will be lucky in the military arts
before and after the date of 1999."
So to an objective person one asks from the sky in 1999 will come this
king,
in July two leaders came to the fore, one being Romano Prodi, as president
of the EU, and in Morocco prince Muhammed took the throne after his father
died, ok and just for the astro kids yes in August there was also a
conjunction that corresponds to the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse, but also
apart from Clinton who was at that time almost resident in airforce one,
there were other comings and goings, that will have a far reaching legacy
October saw Yeltsin and Jemin sign a treaty to get Chechnya and Taiwan.
Then again in October saw a man who was CIC of the armed forces in
Pakistan
who assumed power from a 737 whilst still airborne.
Now being a sceptic I ask so which of these events is the most important
being a student of matters historical, I see the debt payer king being the
most significant, because although most prohecies quoted come from the
Quatrains, there is also 2 letters that give a flow of historical events,
and one of these in metaphor describes such a debt paying individual who
being born at the time of the Nazis, will free billions from the yoke of
debt, and go on to humiliate the Usurers, a reversal of fortune.
Epistle chapter 30
And hereupon it is that there is born of a branch long sterile one who
will
deliver the people of the world from this benevolent slavery to which they
had voluntary submitted. He will put himself under the protection of
Mars,(War) stripping Jupiter (The West) of all his honours and dignities,
and establish himself in the free city in another scant Mesopotamia
(Kashmir)
Now the importance of being debt free is also explained in other Quatrains
the most used word quoted in Nostradamus was Terror ther is also another
one
Profligacy.
Nostradamus was also quite good at being ambiguous so debt payer can also
be
terror, after all being nuclear armed, and being lucky in battle is not
going to be very good as an adversary.
Now no one has correctly predicted a Quatrain let alone an event from
Nostradamus, but like anything it is subject to change, watch and learn!
LB
Thanks to PLM
For reference, please compare the following:
"Parochus...Vng deffraieur, qui nous fournist
de tout ce qu'il nous fault par les chemins." (Estienne,
Dictionarium Latinogallicum, 1st edition,1538)
[Or in English: 'Parochus (purveyor)... A provider/host who furnishes
us with everything that we need for the road'. Note the spelling
'deffraieur' - exactly the same as in the original version of verse
X.72 of only 30 years later]
"Parochus...Un deffrayeur, qui nous fournist de tout ce qu'il nous
fault par les chemins." (Estienne, Dictionarium Latinogallicum, 3rd
edition, 1552)
"Defrayeur: m. A Cater, or Steward; one that in a
iourney furnishes, and defrayes the prouision, and expence of the
whole companie." (Cotgrave, 1611)
This could almost suggest the meaning 'host'...
"de.fray vt [MF deffrayer, fr. des- de- + frayer to expend, fr. OF,
fr. (assumed) OF frai expenditure, lit., damage by breaking, fr. L
fractum, neut. of fractus, pp. of frangere to break--more at break]
(1536) 1: to provide for the payment of: pay 2 archaic: to bear the
expenses of -- de.fray.able adj -- de.fray.al n"
Copyright (c) 1994 Merriam-Webster, Inc. All Rights Reserved
Todd Carroll _ And while on this subject, "deffraieur" is not the same as
"d'effraieur" meaning "of terror" but rather means "defrayer" as in a
payer
of debts. I have no idea why this is supposed to bring about the end of
the
world. The apostrophe is usually added by believers in Nosty
from Leoni 1961
CXQ 72. Since this is the only dated one (not counting configurations),
with
a date still to come, it is of great interest. In September, 1999, a "King
of Terror" will come. "From the sky if taken literally, would be both real
prophecy and a justification for putting some credence in its
possibilities
of fulfillment. Line 3 must needs hold the key to all of it. If Angolmois
is
Angoumois (capital, Angouleme), we presumably have a reference to the
House
of Angouleme, which provided France with Francis I, his son Henry II and
his
grandsons Francis II, Charles IX and Henry III, though the name "Valois"
was
left officially. Yet neither Francis nor Henry would seem to qualify as a
King of Terror, nor is there any such in the history of the region. Unless
some third possible meaning is discovered, it must be noted that Angolmois
is an anagram for "Mongolois", which would give us Genghiz Khan, highly
suitable as a King of Terror. Line 4 is rather general. Mars is of course
the god of war. This quatrain will probably be a favorite in Peking.
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| User: "Leigh_Bee" |
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| Title: Re: why CXQ072 is the Mother of All September 11ths |
31 Oct 2004 04:29:55 PM |
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"Thierry Vigneron" <nostre3@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:<4184a0e6$0$24972$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>...
there is that only one objective element in your deduction, this quatrin
speaks about Sharon Ariel (towards 3 & 4). The remainder of the quatrain
speaks about the eclipse of August 11, 1999 (towards 1 & 2)
If you can make those claims. Can you back it it up with an
explanation, like how Sharon figures and how August has an eclipse
that is not mentioned?
LB
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| User: "Thierry Vigneron" |
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| Title: Re: why CXQ072 is the Mother of All September 11ths |
31 Oct 2004 05:24:56 PM |
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Initially on August 11 1999 it was not a Sun but Moon eclipse,! This
arrival of the sky of the large king of effrayor, and not "of effraior" is
the incarnation of the king symbolized by the sun (see photo = King JPG) in
photo album! XVIème century the old beliefs, in particular the astrological
and alchemical analogy, associated characters the stars including angels!
The sun was represented by the king, and the moon by the queen, when they
were coupled, one spoke about an eclipse (see photo = King JPG, in photo
album) the Moon eclipse was to call = Deliquium Lunæ That of the Sun =
Deliquium Solis! To mark the fact that the two stars were not any more same
gasoline, having lost their whiteness (that of the good) with the profit of
the black (evil) as become delinquent, alarming, (inspiring the fear) With
Nostradamus the things are never simple: It writes seven months, and not
the seventh month. That would not have changed large thing for the
composition of the quatrain even with a syllable in excess! It has to leave
seven months, i.e. that it implies, seven months completed, i.e. last!
Moreover at its time the Julien calendar was in force, therefore with our
Gregorian calendar, us obtenont well August 1999, since this seven month is
at the end of the seventh month it is as if you said, "it was necessary that
I wait seven months so that I can buy my DVD", i.e. that you could you offer
them at the beginning of the next month = the beginning of the eighth month
It is not as if you said, "was needed that I wait the seventh month to be
able to buy my DVD to me", there that would have been July! You it
difference includes/understands? This large king resusciter, is not other
than king David Angolmois conceals an anagram: ANGOLMOIS = MONTH GOLAN
This quatrain generally starts wild imaginings that goes from a Monarch (who
is not even né)à the fall of station MIR, the extraterrestrial ones, and I
do not know which other tricks like China, Iraq, I pass from there and of
best. A thing is sure it is that the term of Angolmois is used only once in
all the centuries, in other places one finds "Angolesme" This mysterious
words contains a Angolmois anagram = Golan month. In the first version my
anagram was less faithful Angolmois=Golam-Sion (Golan-Sion) This Large Roy
ressuscity which is of Angolmois is not other than King David of Israel!
Nostradamus starts from a point located at July being spread out over
August, and being prolonged until March 2000! Before and after is still a
enigma of which it has the secrecy before Mars 2000 but also afterwards in
another direction Avant-après indicates puisnay once again and youngest
child in his form Latin "beniamin" can reconvert himself in Benyamin X-72
speaks in fact about the eclipse and of the Middle-East the Large King of
effrayor is not other than Goliath This metaphor based on the legend of king
David Donne this aspect particular to the quatrain which in fascinated more
one, I includes/understands completely what it can cause as imagination but
one must always study the whole of the context in a lucid way! When I speak
for example about Israel by the rhyme of month-Angolmois, I always endeavour
to find a connection logical This month of Golan can after one August which
preceded one July, is not other than September: Rosh ha shana "beginning of
the year" coincides with September, this beginning of year is thus the one
period renewal, "resusciter" this festival with Kippour are to call "days
very holy" it is the day of the memory, on this occasion the verses of the
sovereignty of God are evoked, Indeed, the scriptural passage most
outstanding of the liturgy of Rosh ha-Shana is that of the binding of Isaac
on the furnace bridge (see Genèse, XXII), which represents the part of the
Torah which is read in this day. This passage leads to the topic of the
horn of ram (sign which is also the house of Mars). During the service with
the synagogue, resounds this day the shofar, formed wind instrument of a
horn of ram, which represents the horn of the animal sacrificed to the place
of Isaac. The ancients often drove out the demons with noise the day of the
new year. The Jews transformed this practice and blow in the horn to
precede the day when God will destroy the evil in the world, "will make
resound the horn of ram and will come among the flashes". At this time, the
ceremony continues with the "verses of the sovereignty", in which it is
known as that God will be a king of all the ground and that it reigns as of
now on those which accept it by renewing their engagement to him the day of
Rosh ha-Shana. The other indication is before and after (aisné, puisné)
gives the name of Benyamin, that which will précedera it is obviously our
flash is obviously that to connect to the horn of ram, Barak which in Hebrew
is precisely the translation of "flash"! New Year's day with the Middle
Ages for the European countries was on March 25, it is only after 1589 that
the New Year's Day was placed on January 1! In this quatrain the Large king
of effrayor incarné in Goliath symbolizes the resurection of Large Israel
"Eretz Israel" very astonishing when it is known that Israel comes from
Hebrew Yisrael "who fights with God" Eretz Yisrael = "Large who fights with
God", it is this Large warlike Head of a nation, a Large King of effrayor!
"Leigh_Bee" <leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au> a écrit dans le message de news:
39cd5fe.0410311429.5b898558@posting.google.com...
"Thierry Vigneron" <nostre3@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:<4184a0e6$0$24972$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>...
there is that only one objective element in your deduction, this quatrin
speaks about Sharon Ariel (towards 3 & 4). The remainder of the
quatrain
speaks about the eclipse of August 11, 1999 (towards 1 & 2)
If you can make those claims. Can you back it it up with an
explanation, like how Sharon figures and how August has an eclipse
that is not mentioned?
LB
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| User: "Leigh_Bee" |
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| Title: Re: why CXQ072 is the Mother of All September 11ths |
01 Nov 2004 04:14:15 PM |
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"Thierry Vigneron" <nostre3@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:<418574a1$0$31238$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>...
Initially on August 11 1999 it was not a Sun but Moon eclipse,! This
arrival of the sky of the large king of effrayor, and not "of effraior" is
the incarnation of the king symbolized by the sun (see photo = King JPG) in
photo album! SNIP
(see photo = King JPG) ?
Fascinating take but the allusions do not add up.
Sharon is old and will be going down pretty soon.
New Year's day with the Middle
Ages for the European countries was on March 25, it is only after 1589 that
the New Year's Day was placed on January 1! In this quatrain the Large king
of effrayor incarné in Goliath symbolizes the resurection of Large Israel
"Eretz Israel" very astonishing when it is known that Israel comes from
Hebrew Yisrael "who fights with God" Eretz Yisrael = "Large who fights with
God", it is this Large warlike Head of a nation, a Large King of effrayor!
Have you tried 7 months from March like the in Preface 1555 1st March?
Or from New Years day.
Remember Nostradamus had a bitter sense of Humour.
But I still think it is about Musharaff, this will come after Usama's
capture and trial.
LB
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| User: "Never anonymous Bud" |
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| Title: Re: why CXQ072 is the Mother of All September 11ths |
31 Oct 2004 05:36:02 AM |
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Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, "Thierry Vigneron" <nostre3@wanadoo.fr> on Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:21:31 +0100
spoke:
there is that only one objective element in your deduction, this quatrin
speaks about Sharon Ariel (towards 3 & 4). The remainder of the quatrain
speaks about the eclipse of August 11, 1999 (towards 1 & 2)
There is NOTHING in the quatrain about an eclipse,
and it also has nothing to do with Sharon or Israel.
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| User: "Thierry Vigneron" |
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31 Oct 2004 10:35:54 AM |
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My, God
But you to be ignorant at this point of the XVI century culture!
"Seven months of the sky" are described like an arrival of a king of
effrayor, and not of "effraior "!
This large king is not other than the sun!
The symbolism of the old traditions, teaches that the moon is the queen,
and the king the sun (Basile Valentin)See the photography joined with this
message (if that functions)
Roi
It does not say the seventh month, but seven months completed, i.e. the
eighth, of 1999 (August) in France the total eclipse of sun, at to be place
on August 11, 1999!
At the time Nostradamus used the calendar Julien, July becoming August,
because of the shift of the Julien calendar to the Gregorian one !
This fact this large king of effrayor, is well the characteristic of the
sun, owing to the fact that it is judicious to come from THE SKY!!!
Angolmois= Mois Golan = Month Golan
at follow
"Never anonymous Bud" <newskat@katxyzkave.net> a écrit dans le message de
news: cfj9o01m1uj0anqo9007ja9brduet6ritj@4ax.com...
Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, "Thierry Vigneron"
<nostre3@wanadoo.fr> on Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:21:31 +0100
spoke:
there is that only one objective element in your deduction, this quatrin
speaks about Sharon Ariel (towards 3 & 4). The remainder of the quatrain
speaks about the eclipse of August 11, 1999 (towards 1 & 2)
There is NOTHING in the quatrain about an eclipse,
and it also has nothing to do with Sharon or Israel.
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| User: "Thierry Vigneron" |
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31 Oct 2004 10:50:25 AM |
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here photography:
King = sun
queen = the moon
the coupling (union) = eclypse
http://smartgroups.wanadoo.fr/pictures/openpicture.cfm?GID=2917218&AlbumID=4
950553&PictureID=25351962&Layout=D&Sort=ordernum&Dir=ASC
"Thierry Vigneron" <nostre3@wanadoo.fr> a écrit dans le message de news:
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My, God
But you to be ignorant at this point of the XVI century culture!
"Seven months of the sky" are described like an arrival of a king of
effrayor, and not of "effraior "!
This large king is not other than the sun!
The symbolism of the old traditions, teaches that the moon is the queen,
and the king the sun (Basile Valentin)See the photography joined with this
message (if that functions)
Roi
It does not say the seventh month, but seven months completed, i.e. the
eighth, of 1999 (August) in France the total eclipse of sun, at to be
place
on August 11, 1999!
At the time Nostradamus used the calendar Julien, July becoming August,
because of the shift of the Julien calendar to the Gregorian one !
This fact this large king of effrayor, is well the characteristic of the
sun, owing to the fact that it is judicious to come from THE SKY!!!
Angolmois= Mois Golan = Month Golan
at follow
"Never anonymous Bud" <newskat@katxyzkave.net> a écrit dans le message de
news: cfj9o01m1uj0anqo9007ja9brduet6ritj@4ax.com...
Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, "Thierry Vigneron"
<nostre3@wanadoo.fr> on Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:21:31 +0100
spoke:
there is that only one objective element in your deduction, this
quatrin
speaks about Sharon Ariel (towards 3 & 4). The remainder of the
quatrain
speaks about the eclipse of August 11, 1999 (towards 1 & 2)
There is NOTHING in the quatrain about an eclipse,
and it also has nothing to do with Sharon or Israel.
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