Luk 12:49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it
be already kindled?
Luk 12:50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I
straitened till it be accomplished!
Luk 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell
you, Nay; but rather division:
Are you folks sure you can believe what others tell you?
*HIS* "ELECT"
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| User: "Barbarossa" |
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| Title: Re: Why Did Jesus Say This? |
28 Jul 2005 06:39:15 AM |
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<lightwing07@aol.com> schreef in bericht
news:1122505163.282396.167410@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Luk 12:49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it
be already kindled?
Luk 12:50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I
straitened till it be accomplished!
Luk 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell
you, Nay; but rather division:
That's the problem when you only present four lines. If you read on and
complete Luk 12:49-59 it makes more sense.
Regards,
Barbarossa
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Why Did Jesus Say This? |
28 Jul 2005 05:05:20 PM |
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Dear oh with your take on life dearie why would take anything you
claim, even if Biblical as serious?
LB
Most people are bothered by those passages of Scripture they do not
understand, but the passages that bother me are those I do understand.
Mark Twain
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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28 Jul 2005 12:16:43 AM |
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HIs *Elect* quoted;
"Luk 12:49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it
be already kindled?
Luk 12:50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I
straitened till it be accomplished!
Luk 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell
you, Nay; but rather division:
Are you folks sure you can believe what others tell you?"
Now Prince, please explain just what all of that means. It's simply
nonsense really, a jumble of words without meaning.
As for believing what one is told, does that include whatever you say
as well?
Werewolfy
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| User: "" |
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28 Jul 2005 12:57:02 PM |
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Lightwing Wrote:
It is not that I have been quoted as saying this... "LUKE" quotes
*JESUS* as saying this!!!
There does appear to be some contradiction to "HIS" statement here and
what others are saying about him in "HIS" return!!!
If you read in "ISAIAH" *53* about the lamb of *GOD* you will see for
yourselves that the lamb of *GOD* died for the sins of the *JEWS* and
therefore fulfilled the prophesy of making *HIS* soul a sin offering
for their transgressions in order for them to be forgiven before they
get themselves *JUDGED* by "GOD" in *HIS* courtroom!!!
Isa 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the
LORD revealed?
Isa 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a
root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we
shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and
acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was
despised, and we esteemed him not.
Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet
we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for
our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with
his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one
to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Isa 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his
mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before
her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
Isa 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall
declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the
living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Isa 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in
his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in
his mouth.
Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to
grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see
his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall
prosper in his hand.
Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be
satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many;
for he shall bear their iniquities.
Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he
shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his
soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he
bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
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| User: "mondo" |
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28 Jul 2005 04:12:41 PM |
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Mathew 24
copyright, used with permission
Verses:1-35 ----Signs of The End of The Age
1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when His disciples came up to
Him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 "Do you see all these things?"
He asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another;
every one will be thrown down." 3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of
Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. "Tell us." they said, "when
will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and the end of
the age?"
4 Jesus answered: "Whatch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come
in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ' and will deceive many. 6 You will
hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed.
Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise
against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and
earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.
9 "Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you
will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn
away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false
prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 because of the increase of
wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but he who stands firm to
the endwill be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in
the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
15 "So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes
desolation, spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader
understand-- 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17
Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the
house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. 19 How dreadful
it will be in those last days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20
Pray that your flight not take place in the Winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For
then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world
until now--and never to be equaled again. 22 If those days had not been cut
short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will
be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you' Look, here is the
Christ! or 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false
prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even
the elect--if that were possible. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
26 So, if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out;
or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27 For as lightning
that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming
of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will
gather.
29 "Immediately after the distress of those days 'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and
the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'
30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will apppear in the sky, and all
the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on
the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31 And He will send Hiis
angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the
four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
32 Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender
and its leaves come out, you know that Summer is near. 33 Even so, when you
see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. 34 I tell
you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these
things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will
never pass away.
Verses:1-35----Day and Hour Unknown
36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor
the son, but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will
be at the coming of the Son Of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood,
people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the
day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen
until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the
coming of the Son Of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken
and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will
be taken and the other left.
42 "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will
come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what
time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not
have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the
Son Of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect Him.
45 "Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in
charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the
proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him
doing so when he returns. 47 I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge
of all his possesions. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to
himself, 'my master is staying away a long time,' 49 and he then begins to
beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master
of that servant will come on a day and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He
will cut him into pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where
there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
<lightwing07@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122573422.852426.91800@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Lightwing Wrote:
It is not that I have been quoted as saying this... "LUKE" quotes
*JESUS* as saying this!!!
There does appear to be some contradiction to "HIS" statement here and
what others are saying about him in "HIS" return!!!
If you read in "ISAIAH" *53* about the lamb of *GOD* you will see for
yourselves that the lamb of *GOD* died for the sins of the *JEWS* and
therefore fulfilled the prophesy of making *HIS* soul a sin offering
for their transgressions in order for them to be forgiven before they
get themselves *JUDGED* by "GOD" in *HIS* courtroom!!!
Isa 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the
LORD revealed?
Isa 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a
root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we
shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and
acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was
despised, and we esteemed him not.
Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet
we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for
our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with
his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one
to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Isa 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his
mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before
her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
Isa 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall
declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the
living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Isa 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in
his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in
his mouth.
Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to
grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see
his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall
prosper in his hand.
Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be
satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many;
for he shall bear their iniquities.
Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he
shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his
soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he
bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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| Title: Re: Why Did Jesus Say This? |
28 Jul 2005 08:26:36 PM |
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Mondo justified;-
"Mathew 24
copyright, used with permission "
I'm so sorry, I didn't know you had an ability to ask God for
permission to reproduce 'His' works.
Werewolfy
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| User: "John Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Why Did Jesus Say This? |
28 Jul 2005 12:41:45 AM |
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I hate to say this (as I too was FORCED to read Luke as part of my Anglican
up-bringing), but of the Four Books about Jesus - this has got to be the most deluded
of all of them !!! (John runs a close second - as it sounds like a 'Political Agenda'
of the Romans.)
Just My Thoughts.
:-(]
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| User: "O:--:" |
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| Title: Re: Why Did Jesus Say This? |
28 Jul 2005 12:00:48 AM |
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That book is nothing but fables.
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