Well, I really don't know.
I read a lot of talk in here about Jews. Something is missing in my
education maybe, but neither the culture, nor the people, merit much
discussion really.
In fact....I have no idea as to why they should be such a persecuted
Nation.
As far as I can see...they are men and women. Some nice, some greedy,
some rude, some average. Most of the anti Jew talk originates from
Americans. Why is this? It seems that the US is as pre-occupied with
Jews in much the same way as they were fanatical in hunting down
commmunist supporters.
Personally, I couldn't care less about Jews. If I meet one, he's a man
and I treat him as he treats me.
Would someone be so kind as to explain just why anti Jew feelings
dominate the Colonies?
Werewolfy
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| User: "cesar" |
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| Title: Re: Why is it? |
04 Apr 2004 01:36:38 PM |
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"Werewolfy" <RickyColeclough@aol.com> wrote in message
news:85ebfda0.0404040818.55501e66@posting.google.com...
Well, I really don't know.
I read a lot of talk in here about Jews. Something is missing in my
education maybe, but neither the culture, nor the people, merit much
discussion really.
In fact....I have no idea as to why they should be such a persecuted
Nation.
As far as I can see...they are men and women. Some nice, some greedy,
some rude, some average. Most of the anti Jew talk originates from
Americans. Why is this? It seems that the US is as pre-occupied with
Jews in much the same way as they were fanatical in hunting down
commmunist supporters.
Personally, I couldn't care less about Jews. If I meet one, he's a man
and I treat him as he treats me.
Would someone be so kind as to explain just why anti Jew feelings
dominate the Colonies?
Werewolfy
Blame it on the God of Israel, Wolfy. As I recently discovered, my own
eschatology I derived from reading the Bible is not weird at all but in fact
supported by early Gnostic thought, the God of Israel is a REAL God RA-EL
and his chosen people are the Jews and the land flowing with milk and honey
given to them is the United States, whom he made very prosperous and he is
very unhappy with the idolatry being practised by his "chosen people",
forgetting to worship HIM and so he is punishing them by creating an enmity
between them and his "other" chosen ones, namely the Arabs, whom he had
sworn to look after when Ishmael was disowned by Abraham. Now the Arab
Muslims are playing the role of the Accuser of the Infidels even as Israel
plays the role of the DEVIL claiming its divine inheritance, accusing the
Palestinians as thieves and squatters, while the Beast in America, whom the
Dragon, the DEVIL, empowered is preparing a genocide and WWIII through
Armageddon, trapping all of its residents as CAPTIVES, in a forced worship
of the BEAST, so as to deny them the SALVATION, which is coming from
MICHAEL, the Lord of Lords.
People might do well to abandon what they have been brainwashed to believe
and read the early philosophies of Christianity that have been suppressed
and distorted. My own knowledge and belief sprung from within and it is in
line with the earliest Christian beliefs. If I have discovered the Truth,
so could you be "awakened" to it.
http://www.hermetic-philosophy.com/gnosis1.htm
cesar
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| User: "Anon Ymous" |
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04 Apr 2004 11:42:48 PM |
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"cesar" <cesar@no.email> wrote in message news:<WAYbc.1174$3%81.19@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
My own knowledge and belief sprung from within
LOL! Where did your desire to write/call congress and warn them about
the impending space station disaster come from?
If I have discovered the Truth,
so could you be "awakened" to it.
You havent discovered truth. You havent figured anything out. You
have only ever projected your own paranoia and hate into patterns that
dont necessarily mean what you so often jump to conclude they mean.
http://www.hermetic-philosophy.com/gnosis1.htm
Oh look, it's on the internet! Must be true/accurate/credible.
cesar, your paranoia and megalomania pale in comparison to your
gullibility--especially when it comes to your own B.S. Go read your
Sitchin (you do realize that, next to you, he's possibly the worst
scholar of all time, right?)
S~
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| User: "cesar" |
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05 Apr 2004 12:12:11 AM |
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"Anon Ymous" <shastaman@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:5c2e70b2.0404042042.d8893e1@posting.google.com...
"cesar" <cesar@no.email> wrote in message
news:<WAYbc.1174$3%81.19@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
My own knowledge and belief sprung from within
LOL! Where did your desire to write/call congress and warn them about
the impending space station disaster come from?
Nostradamus. But although it fit the MIR scenario, it is actually the one
taking place May next year.
If I have discovered the Truth,
so could you be "awakened" to it.
You havent discovered truth. You havent figured anything out. You
have only ever projected your own paranoia and hate into patterns that
dont necessarily mean what you so often jump to conclude they mean.
http://www.hermetic-philosophy.com/gnosis1.htm
Oh look, it's on the internet! Must be true/accurate/credible.
cesar, your paranoia and megalomania pale in comparison to your
gullibility--especially when it comes to your own B.S. Go read your
Sitchin (you do realize that, next to you, he's possibly the worst
scholar of all time, right?)
S~
I thought you were a scholar. At least I thought you were a university
student. Perhaps I was wrong.
You obviously did not read the material in the link I found. Or if you did
read them, it must have been WAY OVER your Comedy Central head.
cesar
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| User: "D.A. Millar" |
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04 Apr 2004 02:05:03 PM |
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"cesar" wrote;
People might do well to abandon what they have been brainwashed to believe
and read the early philosophies of Christianity that have been suppressed
and distorted. My own knowledge and belief sprung from within and it is
in
line with the earliest Christian beliefs. If I have discovered the Truth,
so could you be "awakened" to it.
There ya go Wolfy, straight from the horse's *****.
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| User: "cesar" |
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| Title: Re: Why is it? |
04 Apr 2004 03:43:45 PM |
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"D.A. Millar" <journeyman36@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:z%Ybc.23383$Pk3.22859@pd7tw1no...
"cesar" wrote;
People might do well to abandon what they have been brainwashed to
believe
and read the early philosophies of Christianity that have been
suppressed
and distorted. My own knowledge and belief sprung from within and it is
in
line with the earliest Christian beliefs. If I have discovered the
Truth,
so could you be "awakened" to it.
There ya go Wolfy, straight from the horse's *****.
Suppression of Truth is still plainly evident even as we approach the final
days. There are people who want nothing more than to see 1 billion people
who believe in Islam eradicated from the face of this earth for the sake of
the two million or so Jews in Israel over a small strip of land and a piece
of rock.
Wake up and Smell the Coffee.
If you are a true Christian, do as Jesus did and not let Jesus be your
scapegoat even as you make the Arabs your scapegoat for YOUR sins.
cesar
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| User: "Michael Hambly" |
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| Title: Re: Why is it? |
05 Apr 2004 05:58:59 AM |
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In article <WAYbc.1174$3%81.19@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
cesar wrote:
"Werewolfy" <RickyColeclough@aol.com> wrote in message
news:85ebfda0.0404040818.55501e66@posting.google.com...
Well, I really don't know.
I read a lot of talk in here about Jews. Something is missing in my
education maybe, but neither the culture, nor the people, merit much
discussion really.
In fact....I have no idea as to why they should be such a persecuted
Nation.
As far as I can see...they are men and women. Some nice, some greedy,
some rude, some average. Most of the anti Jew talk originates from
Americans. Why is this? It seems that the US is as pre-occupied with
Jews in much the same way as they were fanatical in hunting down
commmunist supporters.
Personally, I couldn't care less about Jews. If I meet one, he's a man
and I treat him as he treats me.
Would someone be so kind as to explain just why anti Jew feelings
dominate the Colonies?
Werewolfy
Blame it on the God of Israel, Wolfy. As I recently discovered, my own
eschatology I derived from reading the Bible is not weird at all but in fact
supported by early Gnostic thought, the God of Israel is a REAL God RA-EL
and his chosen people are the Jews and the land flowing with milk and honey
given to them is the United States, whom he made very prosperous and he is
very unhappy with the idolatry being practised by his "chosen people",
forgetting to worship HIM and so he is punishing them by creating an enmity
between them and his "other" chosen ones, namely the Arabs, whom he had
sworn to look after when Ishmael was disowned by Abraham. Now the Arab
Muslims are playing the role of the Accuser of the Infidels even as Israel
plays the role of the DEVIL claiming its divine inheritance, accusing the
Palestinians as thieves and squatters, while the Beast in America, whom the
Dragon, the DEVIL, empowered is preparing a genocide and WWIII through
Armageddon, trapping all of its residents as CAPTIVES, in a forced worship
of the BEAST, so as to deny them the SALVATION, which is coming from
MICHAEL, the Lord of Lords.
People might do well to abandon what they have been brainwashed to believe
and read the early philosophies of Christianity that have been suppressed
and distorted. My own knowledge and belief sprung from within and it is in
line with the earliest Christian beliefs. If I have discovered the Truth,
so could you be "awakened" to it.
http://www.hermetic-philosophy.com/gnosis1.htm
cesar
It may serve you better to not get too carried away with the notion
that the Gnostics were referring to actual beings. For example, Sophia
is Wisdom, as in philosophia == love of wisdom.
It's a way of telling the story, of putting a face to non-physical
impressions of their inner-self/spiritual awareness.
In the time of the Gnostics, the cognitive structures they learned as
children dealt with gods and other beings. As a result they expressed
their knowledge in those terms. Had they understood quantum theory,
or relativity they would have expressed themselves differently.
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| User: "cesar" |
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| Title: Re: Why is it? |
05 Apr 2004 08:21:47 AM |
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"Michael Hambly" <michael@blackbirdsoftware.com> wrote in message
news:slrnc72dgi.irl.michael@hammer.blackbirdsoftware.com...
In article <WAYbc.1174$3%81.19@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
cesar wrote:
"Werewolfy" <RickyColeclough@aol.com> wrote in message
news:85ebfda0.0404040818.55501e66@posting.google.com...
Well, I really don't know.
I read a lot of talk in here about Jews. Something is missing in my
education maybe, but neither the culture, nor the people, merit much
discussion really.
In fact....I have no idea as to why they should be such a persecuted
Nation.
As far as I can see...they are men and women. Some nice, some greedy,
some rude, some average. Most of the anti Jew talk originates from
Americans. Why is this? It seems that the US is as pre-occupied with
Jews in much the same way as they were fanatical in hunting down
commmunist supporters.
Personally, I couldn't care less about Jews. If I meet one, he's a man
and I treat him as he treats me.
Would someone be so kind as to explain just why anti Jew feelings
dominate the Colonies?
Werewolfy
Blame it on the God of Israel, Wolfy. As I recently discovered, my own
eschatology I derived from reading the Bible is not weird at all but in
fact
supported by early Gnostic thought, the God of Israel is a REAL God
RA-EL
and his chosen people are the Jews and the land flowing with milk and
honey
given to them is the United States, whom he made very prosperous and he
is
very unhappy with the idolatry being practised by his "chosen people",
forgetting to worship HIM and so he is punishing them by creating an
enmity
between them and his "other" chosen ones, namely the Arabs, whom he had
sworn to look after when Ishmael was disowned by Abraham. Now the Arab
Muslims are playing the role of the Accuser of the Infidels even as
Israel
plays the role of the DEVIL claiming its divine inheritance, accusing
the
Palestinians as thieves and squatters, while the Beast in America, whom
the
Dragon, the DEVIL, empowered is preparing a genocide and WWIII through
Armageddon, trapping all of its residents as CAPTIVES, in a forced
worship
of the BEAST, so as to deny them the SALVATION, which is coming from
MICHAEL, the Lord of Lords.
People might do well to abandon what they have been brainwashed to
believe
and read the early philosophies of Christianity that have been
suppressed
and distorted. My own knowledge and belief sprung from within and it is
in
line with the earliest Christian beliefs. If I have discovered the
Truth,
so could you be "awakened" to it.
http://www.hermetic-philosophy.com/gnosis1.htm
cesar
It may serve you better to not get too carried away with the notion
that the Gnostics were referring to actual beings. For example, Sophia
is Wisdom, as in philosophia == love of wisdom.
It's a way of telling the story, of putting a face to non-physical
impressions of their inner-self/spiritual awareness.
In the time of the Gnostics, the cognitive structures they learned as
children dealt with gods and other beings. As a result they expressed
their knowledge in those terms. Had they understood quantum theory,
or relativity they would have expressed themselves differently.
Or is that WE have distanced ourselves from spirituality and all things
non-empirical over the centuries? Sorcery and magic do exist and are being
practiced secretly by people who wield immense power over the world.
Spiritualism still thrives among the elders of the First Nations but it is
diminishing as the young ones get assimilated into our society. The Church
in the Reformation did a good job in suppressing Spirituality so that
Science fostered Materialism and further detaching Spirituality from
Philosophy, so much so that the existence of God himself is posed as an
empirical (test tube) question.
As far as I can tell the Gnostics had first hand knowledge from Jesus
Christ. Our Minds did not just "happen". It was bestowed upon us by the
gods. Gnosticism explains who these 'gods' are. They didn't go away. We
drifted away from them. And now they are coming home to roost, it seems.
cesar
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| User: "Michael Hambly" |
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| Title: Re: Why is it? |
05 Apr 2004 10:07:02 AM |
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In article <L3dcc.14027$L_8.9917@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
cesar wrote:
"Michael Hambly" <michael@blackbirdsoftware.com> wrote in message
news:slrnc72dgi.irl.michael@hammer.blackbirdsoftware.com...
In article <WAYbc.1174$3%81.19@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
cesar wrote:
"Werewolfy" <RickyColeclough@aol.com> wrote in message
news:85ebfda0.0404040818.55501e66@posting.google.com...
Well, I really don't know.
I read a lot of talk in here about Jews. Something is missing in my
education maybe, but neither the culture, nor the people, merit much
discussion really.
In fact....I have no idea as to why they should be such a persecuted
Nation.
As far as I can see...they are men and women. Some nice, some greedy,
some rude, some average. Most of the anti Jew talk originates from
Americans. Why is this? It seems that the US is as pre-occupied with
Jews in much the same way as they were fanatical in hunting down
commmunist supporters.
Personally, I couldn't care less about Jews. If I meet one, he's a man
and I treat him as he treats me.
Would someone be so kind as to explain just why anti Jew feelings
dominate the Colonies?
Werewolfy
Blame it on the God of Israel, Wolfy. As I recently discovered, my own
eschatology I derived from reading the Bible is not weird at all but in
fact
supported by early Gnostic thought, the God of Israel is a REAL God
RA-EL
and his chosen people are the Jews and the land flowing with milk and
honey
given to them is the United States, whom he made very prosperous and he
is
very unhappy with the idolatry being practised by his "chosen people",
forgetting to worship HIM and so he is punishing them by creating an
enmity
between them and his "other" chosen ones, namely the Arabs, whom he had
sworn to look after when Ishmael was disowned by Abraham. Now the Arab
Muslims are playing the role of the Accuser of the Infidels even as
Israel
plays the role of the DEVIL claiming its divine inheritance, accusing
the
Palestinians as thieves and squatters, while the Beast in America, whom
the
Dragon, the DEVIL, empowered is preparing a genocide and WWIII through
Armageddon, trapping all of its residents as CAPTIVES, in a forced
worship
of the BEAST, so as to deny them the SALVATION, which is coming from
MICHAEL, the Lord of Lords.
People might do well to abandon what they have been brainwashed to
believe
and read the early philosophies of Christianity that have been
suppressed
and distorted. My own knowledge and belief sprung from within and it is
in
line with the earliest Christian beliefs. If I have discovered the
Truth,
so could you be "awakened" to it.
http://www.hermetic-philosophy.com/gnosis1.htm
cesar
It may serve you better to not get too carried away with the notion
that the Gnostics were referring to actual beings. For example, Sophia
is Wisdom, as in philosophia == love of wisdom.
It's a way of telling the story, of putting a face to non-physical
impressions of their inner-self/spiritual awareness.
In the time of the Gnostics, the cognitive structures they learned as
children dealt with gods and other beings. As a result they expressed
their knowledge in those terms. Had they understood quantum theory,
or relativity they would have expressed themselves differently.
Or is that WE have distanced ourselves from spirituality and all things
non-empirical over the centuries? Sorcery and magic do exist and are being
practiced secretly by people who wield immense power over the world.
Spiritualism still thrives among the elders of the First Nations but it is
diminishing as the young ones get assimilated into our society. The Church
in the Reformation did a good job in suppressing Spirituality so that
Science fostered Materialism and further detaching Spirituality from
Philosophy, so much so that the existence of God himself is posed as an
empirical (test tube) question.
As far as I can tell the Gnostics had first hand knowledge from Jesus
Christ. Our Minds did not just "happen". It was bestowed upon us by the
gods. Gnosticism explains who these 'gods' are. They didn't go away. We
drifted away from them. And now they are coming home to roost, it seems.
cesar
You miss their point of trying to understand reality in terms of
seeking an inner/ineffable knowledge of it. You are focusing on
defining reality in terms of your ego's perception of material
structure. That material structure includes the embodiment of
individual personality.
Your thoughts/cognitive process (the essence of your ego or what
you think of as you), are based on a physical process that derives
from your brain's ability to collect and structure memories.
What is left of "you" when the physical process that defines your
thoughts no longer functions?
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| User: "cesar" |
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| Title: Re: Why is it? |
05 Apr 2004 11:00:54 AM |
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"Michael Hambly" <michael@blackbirdsoftware.com> wrote in message
news:slrnc72s1k.lme.michael@hammer.blackbirdsoftware.com...
In article <L3dcc.14027$L_8.9917@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
cesar wrote:
"Michael Hambly" <michael@blackbirdsoftware.com> wrote in message
news:slrnc72dgi.irl.michael@hammer.blackbirdsoftware.com...
In article <WAYbc.1174$3%81.19@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
cesar wrote:
"Werewolfy" <RickyColeclough@aol.com> wrote in message
news:85ebfda0.0404040818.55501e66@posting.google.com...
Well, I really don't know.
I read a lot of talk in here about Jews. Something is missing in my
education maybe, but neither the culture, nor the people, merit much
discussion really.
In fact....I have no idea as to why they should be such a persecuted
Nation.
As far as I can see...they are men and women. Some nice, some
greedy,
some rude, some average. Most of the anti Jew talk originates from
Americans. Why is this? It seems that the US is as pre-occupied with
Jews in much the same way as they were fanatical in hunting down
commmunist supporters.
Personally, I couldn't care less about Jews. If I meet one, he's a
man
and I treat him as he treats me.
Would someone be so kind as to explain just why anti Jew feelings
dominate the Colonies?
Werewolfy
Blame it on the God of Israel, Wolfy. As I recently discovered, my
own
eschatology I derived from reading the Bible is not weird at all but
in
fact
supported by early Gnostic thought, the God of Israel is a REAL God
RA-EL
and his chosen people are the Jews and the land flowing with milk and
honey
given to them is the United States, whom he made very prosperous and
he
is
very unhappy with the idolatry being practised by his "chosen
people",
forgetting to worship HIM and so he is punishing them by creating an
enmity
between them and his "other" chosen ones, namely the Arabs, whom he
had
sworn to look after when Ishmael was disowned by Abraham. Now the
Arab
Muslims are playing the role of the Accuser of the Infidels even as
Israel
plays the role of the DEVIL claiming its divine inheritance, accusing
the
Palestinians as thieves and squatters, while the Beast in America,
whom
the
Dragon, the DEVIL, empowered is preparing a genocide and WWIII
through
Armageddon, trapping all of its residents as CAPTIVES, in a forced
worship
of the BEAST, so as to deny them the SALVATION, which is coming from
MICHAEL, the Lord of Lords.
People might do well to abandon what they have been brainwashed to
believe
and read the early philosophies of Christianity that have been
suppressed
and distorted. My own knowledge and belief sprung from within and it
is
in
line with the earliest Christian beliefs. If I have discovered the
Truth,
so could you be "awakened" to it.
http://www.hermetic-philosophy.com/gnosis1.htm
cesar
It may serve you better to not get too carried away with the notion
that the Gnostics were referring to actual beings. For example, Sophia
is Wisdom, as in philosophia == love of wisdom.
It's a way of telling the story, of putting a face to non-physical
impressions of their inner-self/spiritual awareness.
In the time of the Gnostics, the cognitive structures they learned as
children dealt with gods and other beings. As a result they expressed
their knowledge in those terms. Had they understood quantum theory,
or relativity they would have expressed themselves differently.
Or is that WE have distanced ourselves from spirituality and all things
non-empirical over the centuries? Sorcery and magic do exist and are
being
practiced secretly by people who wield immense power over the world.
Spiritualism still thrives among the elders of the First Nations but it
is
diminishing as the young ones get assimilated into our society. The
Church
in the Reformation did a good job in suppressing Spirituality so that
Science fostered Materialism and further detaching Spirituality from
Philosophy, so much so that the existence of God himself is posed as an
empirical (test tube) question.
As far as I can tell the Gnostics had first hand knowledge from Jesus
Christ. Our Minds did not just "happen". It was bestowed upon us by
the
gods. Gnosticism explains who these 'gods' are. They didn't go away.
We
drifted away from them. And now they are coming home to roost, it
seems.
cesar
You miss their point of trying to understand reality in terms of
seeking an inner/ineffable knowledge of it. You are focusing on
defining reality in terms of your ego's perception of material
structure. That material structure includes the embodiment of
individual personality.
Your thoughts/cognitive process (the essence of your ego or what
you think of as you), are based on a physical process that derives
from your brain's ability to collect and structure memories.
What is left of "you" when the physical process that defines your
thoughts no longer functions?
It is not so difficult to comprehend. We exist in a three-dimensional
material world of Reality with the time-space continuum that is the whole of
Creation. When we die, our spirits are released from our physical body and
remains within the confines of the material world at the spiritual level,
called the "Underworld" by the ancient Egyptians and they await
Re-incarnation into the physical plane of the earth. Christ showed us how
to Transcend this Plane of Existence, as did Buddha. He who is able to be s
inless or who overcomes the desires of the flesh (like Gautama Buddha did)
is no longer subject to reincarnation but becomes merged (taken up) with the
Light. The Holy Spirit is that Light that came into this world with Jesus
Christ. That is the Light that will take us up to a Higher Dimensional
Reality outside of the confines of the one we currently exist in, when
Christ returns to Redeem us.
That Light is Love. It is the shedding of one's ego, the darkness and the
karmic baggage within us. It is to Forgive others and to Forgive ourselves.
It is to learn to become Nothing, but not in a nihilistic or stoic way.
Rather it is to humble and to "surrender" one's ego and one's will to that
of the Father in Heaven, which is Unselfish and Unconditional Love. If we
do that, we will see TRUTH. If we can BE like Christ, then we ARE with
Christ. And HE showed us how. He is the WAY. It's not that complicated at
all.
cesar
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| User: "Michael Hambly" |
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| Title: Re: Why is it? |
08 Apr 2004 08:56:45 AM |
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In article <NHWcc.9035$JTG1.2885@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
cesar wrote:
"Michael Hambly" <michael@blackbirdsoftware.com> wrote in message
news:slrnc77mr2.pml.michael@hammer.blackbirdsoftware.com...
In article <tlycc.68$Bk31.37@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
cesar wrote:
"Michael Hambly" <michael@blackbirdsoftware.com> wrote in message
news:slrnc7575e.lme.michael@hammer.blackbirdsoftware.com...
In article
<Wofcc.14426$L_8.10694@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
cesar wrote:
<brevity snip>
'Tis True no pot of gold nor rainbow caught
For the state sinless cannot be bought
'Tis why a cosmic bet the Father had made
'Twas mighty tempting so Satan took the bait
That if he come as mortal man of flesh and blood
And die sinless then his Holy Spirit, the right to flood
And wash away clean the sins of mortal man
By forgiveness and redemption, Ascend he can.
cesar
Are you beginning to understand that this is a
conditioned response?
Not at all. I was agnostic at one point. I came to these conclusions
through my own study. I do not accept dogma and I refuse to be
indoctrinated. If my beliefs happen to be the beliefs of other groups or
system, that is pure coincidence. For example, I had no idea what SDA stood
for. When I looked it up and found that it stood for the Seventh Day
Adventists, I still have no idea what that sect's beliefs are. So far, of
all existing systems of beliefs out there, I have found that the Gnostics'
beliefs (as I understand them) of the hierarchy of gods and the the minor
god who is the jealous god of Israel who claims to be THE one and only god
is closest to the conclusions I had reached on my own. That is why I belive
in the reality of the Christ 'myth' and that Jesus Christ is who he said he
was: a 'thief' (rescuer from Heaven) who comes to snatch the willing and
deserving souls away from the Lord (of the Earth) who has dominion over the
souls on the earth and who exercises judgment and executes punishment on
Man, who in turn gets punished by HIS Lord, the Lord of Lords from Heaven.
It makes perfect sense to me.
This belief is ingrained
into your memories. It is part of what defines
you. Overcoming that conditioning requires the
reprogramming of your beliefs/memories. A task
that is neither easy, nor ever complete.
"Nothing is true."
Or maybe we were born with Truth and later learned to ignore and obscure it?
What did Jesus say about babies?
That you must become like one.
Meaning that you must start over.
Shatter your beliefs.
How many were mirrors?
Seeking the truth, means accepting that it will
shatter your illusions of truth. It will leave
you with nothing. And then your self will begin
building a new truth, which too will fall.
There is no such thing as illusion of truth. Lies are an illusion. Truth
is Absolute by definition.
Okay. But its still an illusion.
One place where you err, is in your belief that
your thoughts are independent of the flesh.They
are not. I understand this error. Most everyone
of us makes the same error, including many very
brilliant philosophers.
That is incorrect. From where do you get such notions? Are these YOUR
ideas? Not every man thinks with the little head that is between his legs.
Beasts don't think. If you can think, you are not a beast unless you use
your mind to think beastly (carnal) thoughts, in which case, it would make
one a 'philospher'.
Oh, I'd say my dog thinks. I've even watched my
birds reason out a solution to a problem. They
may not comprehend at the same level as we do,
but they do think.
In Biblical times, where the world was known only
as it existed within a short span of human memory,
it would have been quite reasonable to assume that
man was granted special status above all other life.
Just as man assumed that the Earth was the centre
of the Universe, so to would he have believed the
same about himself. That excuse is no longer valid.
The wonder of thought is so incredible that it
is hard to imagine it's non-existence. Without
thought what would there be? How could thought
be born of a chemical sack? But the brain does
structure thought. It is the biological memory
machine that defines you. A matrix of neural
fabric that collects and restructures memories
as part of a continuous feedback loop.
If you can learn to visualize your thoughts as
being manifested from physical memory, you can
begin to trace their origin. It is memory that
defines your beliefs. When you understand this
it becomes easier to release them.
Can the 'thought process' be visualized and traced back to its origin like a
logic circuit? Are all thoughts from a cause and effect? Memories can be
traced to a precise moment it came into one's sensory perception but what
does that have to do with 'thought" or 'reason'?
It's nothing like a logic circuit. Lee Hempfling,
an AI researcher at http://www.enticypress.com ,
presents some models of the thought process that
might help you to understand it better. Not that
his models should be seen as a precise description
of thought. Think of them in the same manner that
an economic model describes the economy. It's not
an exact description of the process, but it gives
some pretty good ideas of what's going on.
None of this is intended to deny the miracle of
life. That an ever-changing collection of atoms
is able to structure itself into a living being
is "a wonder of wonders". A wonder that deserves
to be questioned and explored, not held captive
to dogma and regurgitated beliefs.
Where did dogma or the belief first came from that it got accepted as truth
that is 'regurgitated'? By your defintion, anything said to be true is
false because it has always been said to be true, therefore it is a dogma
and automatically false.
cesar
You failed to see the core essence of what I was
tying together for you. Re-examine the koan. Tumble
the words around. Try them in different orders. Three
words that on their own can be interpretted in many
ways. Then go back and put it into context. Read your
own post, from prior to the snip. I used three words
to tie together two core ideas that you had presented.
Before you lies a wall. And on that wall is painted
a beautiful image. You love that image so much that
you have even given it a name. But behind the image
lies a wall. The wall provides you shelter, and the
image pleasure. But the wall is also a barrier. You
can choose to remain within it's shelter, or topple
it that you might journey further.
Niether choice is right or wrong. But if the choice
is to topple the wall, you must call it's name. Not
the name of the image, but of the wall. It's a name
which you already know. You used it in a prior post.
A final thought to chew on:
"These things are not real, but this one is."
http://www.gospelthomas.com/gospelthomas44.html
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04 Apr 2004 06:40:49 PM |
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"Werewolfy" wrote;
In fact....I have no idea as to why they should be such a
persecuted
Nation.
I'll do my best not to baffle you with *****, unlike some
others here...
The Mystery of anti-Semitism is just as equally historically
deep, and globally pervasive as the Mystery of Evil itself, and
no doubt very much linked to one another, IMO. If people who are
naturally susceptible to evil thoughts and actions had no
identifiable group to blame for their own problems and persecute,
they would be forced to invent them out of thin air. Evil-minded
people continually need a 'scapegoat' to foist their own
character flaws and mistakes, as well as their society's.
Your 'apparent' presumption that anti-Semitism is somehow limited
to the 'colonies', or is even more pervasive in nations such as
the former British colonies, i.e. the USA, Canada, Australia,
etc. than elsewhere is not just flawed, but is virtually as
diametrically opposed to the actual modern global situation as
could possibly be defined. Although these 'rich, western' nations
have our own fair share of anti-Semites within our midst, they
still form a small minority (at least from my own estimation),
and have in fact quite a large (or at least larger) group of
people (non-Jewish, BTW) who are actively pro-Jewish, or
pro-Semite if you will. Nowhere is this
Why the 'worldwide' antipathy against the Jews? Because almost
every single nation on earth has at least a small minority of
Jewish people amongst their population, caused mostly by the
great 'diaspora', or dispersion of the Jewish nation begun in 70
AD with the destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman general Titus,
and completed about 60 years later with the Bar Kochba rebellion.
Soon thereafter, virtually every corner of the known world, from
Russia to Britain, from Sweden to Ethiopia received at least a
handful of these 'people without a nation'. But that only
explains why the anti-semitic phenomenon is so global in nature:
they are a 'global' race, since they are virtually everywhere in
the world.
The true question is 'Why the Jewish race?' I think that it's a
combination of factors, best put in listed form;
Fact #1. They are in fact, unto themselves, a 'unique' race, that
from Biblical times were *ordered*, ostensibly by God Himself, to
keep to themselves, to refrain as much as possible from
associating with other tribes, nations and peoples, let alone
intermarry with the 'goy', or 'Gentiles', which simply means
anybody 'not Jewish' by race. Whether this is 'right' or not (in
our eyes) remains beside the point. By and large, this is what
their ancient faith demands and is therefore obeyed.
Repercussions #1: For people with such mindsets to go into other
nations, whether 'forced' or not, and basically say to the
'natives', "Your people are unworthy to become either our close
friends, employees or, God forbid, part of our families." is a
veritable slap in their faces. The very same phenomenon, just as
one example, happens today in such nations as Britain, the US,
Canada and Australia and Fiji where large numbers of the Sikh
race (from the northern state of the Punjab in India, as you
know) have emigrated. They stay in their own created (or taken
over) communities, they set up businesses and hire only their own
kind, and forbid their children to marry anyone outside their
'faith' (read 'race'). As a personal aside, I once asked a Sikh
woman I work with if she would ever allow her daughter to date or
marry a white man, and she replied in horror, "God no!" When
pressed as to why she felt that way, she was unable to express
any reasons you and I would deem to be 'logical' or
'understanding'. Obviously, her historical 'culture' and 'faith'
were so ingrained into her mind that the very possibility of such
a scenario was 'just' simply, and literally 'out of the
question'.
Understanding #1: Was she being personally racist, prejudiced, or
biased against white people? In 'our eyes', probably, or even
obviously. In 'her eyes', no, it just wasn't 'kosher', or
'allowable' according to her faith. Personally, I can't speak for
the Sikh religion, but as far as the Jewish religion is
concerned, intermarriage between Jews and Gentiles *was* strictly
forbidden by God according to Mosaic Law, but while telling them
also to 'refrain' from 'undue' social intermingling with
'gentiles' so as to affect their 'ways', i.e. food laws, etc.,
God *never* told them to disdain foreigners, but to actually
welcome them as one of their own and go out of their way to make
them feel welcome in the land of Israel, even commanding them to
commit a portion of their crop field to the foreign sojourner. Do
everything in your power to look out after these 'strangers in a
strange land', but draw the line at letting them screw your
daughters, to put it bluntly and succinctly.
That many, if not most Jews took those few commands from God, and
extrapolated from them the idea that God somehow hated all
foreigners and their ways, for all time, was simply something
they took upon themselves. It was this very tendency of the Jews
(especially their teachers and rulers) to take basic God-given
Mosaic laws and add their own embellishments and codicils that
Jesus railed against, BTW.
Were the Jews wrong
to bring at least this ultimate 'maxim' to those nations to which
they were dispersed? Not at all. What *is* wrong is to not
realize that you are only a 'guest', or a 'foreign sojourner'
within that new adopted nation, one that because of your peculiar
traditions and faith commands you to keep certain laws intact,
such as intermarriage, food laws, etc., will most probably in
itself create a suspicion if not antipathy in the eyes of the
natives of those nations towards you already. That to further
extend those few sacred laws, and embellish them with your own
created ones, such as only hiring fellow Jews (or Sikhs, or
Chinese, etc.) in your business, or avoiding the company of your
host nation's native inhabitants altogether, is quite simply an
insanely hateful mindset, an incitement and provocation in
itself, just as much as anti-Semitism is, and while in our nation
(Canada), we have learned to overlook the same tendencies amongst
our Asian populations to do the same, one cannot pin the total
blame on our historical counterparts who suddenly found
themselves surrounded by the same kind of people in the form of
the Jews who had equal beliefs, and yes, inherited biases,
prejudices and racist beliefs against the native inhabitants
either.
Answer #1: When in Rome, as far as possible without sacrificing
your most sacred beliefs, do exactly as the Romans do. The Book
of Daniel is a prime example of how one ought to conduct oneself
when transplanted into another nation, whether voluntarily or
not. Daniel, a Jew of the Davidic royal lineage, found himself
ripped from his Israeli roots and forcibly brought to Babylon,
and subsequently drafted into being one of Nebuchadnezzar's
court of Magi, or 'Wise Men' who were to be taught all sorts of
occultic knowledge.
That by itself, by 'traditional' Judaic (Mosaic) religious
standards, would've been total sacrilege to even allow oneself to
be subjected to such 'diabolical' influences, that it would have
been better for Daniel and his compatriots to rend their garments
and commit suicide than to allow themselves to be immersed in
such surrounding 'evil'. But Daniel did not do such a thing. Nor
did he embrace it. What he *did* was 'go along' with their plans
for him and his fellow Jews, and master those same 'arts', such
as astrology, and combine them with his own supernatural, yet
much more direct communication with the God that created them
all, i.e., through prayer and fasting, etc. And the rest, as they
might say, is Biblical history. He never railed against their
beliefs or their sorceries per se, and in fact strived to
understand them and master them as he possibly could, and by all
accounts, succeeded dramatically. Ditto with his subservience to
their king, Nebuchadnezzar and his successors, both Babylonian
and (Mede)-Persian. He was as faithful a servant to them as one
could possibly be, right up until the time he was asked (by
others) to either worship them, and/or give up his own faith.
And, after he passed test
Obviously (at least to Daniel it was obviously obvious), if God
hadn't wanted him to be in Babylon being in the position he was
in and doing the things he was doing and saying the things he was
saying, God would have put him elsewhere. Such was the 'depth' of
his core faith. And when confronted with the ultimate choice of
denying his faith or certain death, he always stood by his faith.
In other words, when it came to clinging to the most sacred and
cherished beliefs in his heart versus selling out to those of the
many and various 'infidels' surrounding him, he always chose to
'quietly' yet firmly and unequivocally stand his ground and
continue practicing the tenets of his own 'religion', much to the
predictable and calculated 'rage' of the native Chaldeans.
The trick is in knowing what God truly wants from us, through His
various Words and Ways, and what we merely *assume* to be His
will for us. Render unto Caesar that which *truly* belongs to
Caesar (i.e. taxes, civil subservience, etc.), and render unto
God that which *truly* belongs to God (i.e. worship, prayer,
devotion, etc.), to para-quote Jesus Christ Himself. By not
knowing the difference, the Jews, and the Sikhs, and the Chinese
and all those who find themselves in strange lands refusing to
'do as the Romans do' (within limit), and not 'rendering unto
Caesar that which is Caesar's (no limit), then any subsequent
backlashes by the said natives against them, while not
necessarily 'deserved', at least become understandable.
By now, you ought to see at least the rough framework that the
'house' of anti-Semitism is built upon. If Elizabethan England
had its fair share of Apus and Achmeds and Zhong-Lees, Kim Parks,
and Surinder Singhs all doing the same damned thing the various
Goldbergs were doing back then, then such plays as "The Merchant
of Venice" would've taken on a much more cosmopolitan tone;
Shylock would have a Chinese or Korean counterpartner in their
perceived crimes, for example. The races of the names implied
above are not chosen by me by coincidence, obviously. Which leads
me into...
Fact #2: The Jewish people, much like the Chinese, Koreans,
Japanese, Sikhs, etc. are taught from their very earliest years
to not only just 'respect' the value of money, but to practically
worship it as a religion unto itself. But, unlike the other
racial examples, the Jews are much more likely to leave their
life legacies not just to their own 'people' and families, but to
humanity in general, as if in expiation for their lifetime 'sins'
(whereas the others really never did give a rat's hairy fucking
***** about the world, or humanity in general, nor ever will)
End of Part 1 of 12 parts, "Why the world hates the Jews"
(see also my 25-part essay, "Why the world hates the Americans")
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| User: "cesar" |
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04 Apr 2004 07:35:00 PM |
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"Dan" <twotrickpony@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:521cc.24399$Pk3.4346@pd7tw1no...
"Werewolfy" wrote;
In fact....I have no idea as to why they should be such a
persecuted
Nation.
I'll do my best not to baffle you with *****, unlike some
others here...
Some self-proclaimed expert might dismiss the following as B.S. but here's
what the Christian philosopher Basilades said circa 132 A.D. about the
Jewish Nation at the end of the excerpt, if anyone had read the link I
posted earlier. Having intimate contact with those who were "In the Know"
at the foundation of Christianity, maybe these early philosophers knew
something that was since repressed and obfuscated?
-quote-
The Christian philosopher Basilides of Alexandria (fl. 132-135 CE) developed
a cosmology and cosmogony quite distinct from the Sophia myth of classical
Gnosticism, and also reinterpreted key Christian concepts by way of the
popular Stoic philosophy of the era. Basilides began his system with a
"primal octet" consisting of the "unengendered parent" or Father; Intellect
(nous); the 'ordering principle' or "Word" (logos); "prudence" (phronęsis);
Wisdom (sophia); Power (dunamis) (Irenaeus, Against Heresies 1.24.3, in
Layton, The Gnostic Scriptures 1987) and "justice" and "peace" (Basilides,
Fragment A, Layton). Through the union of Wisdom and Power, a group of
angelic rulers came into existence, and from these rulers a total of 365
heavens or aeons were generated (Irenaeus 1.24.3). Each heaven had its own
chief ruler (arkhôn), and numerous lesser angels. The final heaven, which
Basilides claimed is the realm of matter in which we all dwell, was said by
him to be ruled by "the god of the Jews," who favored the Jewish nation over
all others, and so caused all manner of strife for the nations that came
into contact with them -- as well as for the Jewish people themselves.
-end quote-
This was written at a time where there was no "anti-semitism" as we know it.
cesar
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| User: "Anon Ymous" |
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05 Apr 2004 04:40:40 PM |
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"cesar" <cesar@no.email> wrote in message news:<UQ1cc.30215$RfJ.22668@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
"Dan" <twotrickpony@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:521cc.24399$Pk3.4346@pd7tw1no...
"Werewolfy" wrote;
In fact....I have no idea as to why they should be such a
persecuted
Nation.
I'll do my best not to baffle you with *****, unlike some
others here...
Some self-proclaimed expert might dismiss the following as B.S. but here's
what the Christian philosopher Basilades said circa 132 A.D. about the
Jewish Nation at the end of the excerpt, if anyone had read the link I
posted earlier. Having intimate contact with those who were "In the Know"
at the foundation of Christianity, maybe these early philosophers knew
something that was since repressed and obfuscated?
-quote-
The Christian philosopher Basilides of Alexandria (fl. 132-135 CE) developed
a cosmology and cosmogony quite distinct from the Sophia myth of classical
Gnosticism, and also reinterpreted key Christian concepts by way of the
popular Stoic philosophy of the era. Basilides began his system with a
"primal octet" consisting of the "unengendered parent" or Father; Intellect
(nous); the 'ordering principle' or "Word" (logos); "prudence" (phronęsis);
Wisdom (sophia); Power (dunamis) (Irenaeus, Against Heresies 1.24.3, in
Layton, The Gnostic Scriptures 1987) and "justice" and "peace" (Basilides,
Fragment A, Layton). Through the union of Wisdom and Power, a group of
angelic rulers came into existence, and from these rulers a total of 365
heavens or aeons were generated (Irenaeus 1.24.3). Each heaven had its own
chief ruler (arkhôn), and numerous lesser angels. The final heaven, which
Basilides claimed is the realm of matter in which we all dwell, was said by
him to be ruled by "the god of the Jews," who favored the Jewish nation over
all others, and so caused all manner of strife for the nations that came
into contact with them -- as well as for the Jewish people themselves.
The above, if you actually knew how to read it, is a serious critique
of your bogus ego-projected house of cards--not a support for it.
This was written at a time where there was no "anti-semitism" as we know it.
Yeah, the Romans, Persians, Philistines, etc. all thought the Jews
were just neato. *boggle*
S~
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| User: "Anon Ymous" |
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05 Apr 2004 04:19:40 PM |
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"Dan" <twotrickpony@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<521cc.24399$Pk3.4346@pd7tw1no>...
"Werewolfy" wrote;
In fact....I have no idea as to why they should be such a
persecuted
Nation.
I'll do my best not to baffle you with *****, unlike some
others here...
<snipped one totally kick-***** post that everyone should read>
Ok, I was wrong. You are a two trick pony. I'd like to add a few
more causes, though, such as Christian emotionalism, Nietzsche, and
the nature of the ego to consider itself superior.
First, despite the idiotic backlash against Gibson's "Passion," I
think Christians (especially back in the middle ages) liked to point
to the Jews as the killers of Christ and rejecters of truth. Judaism
by nature denies the power of Christianity, and the emotionalism
associated with Christianity, which in the past caused such lovely
historical events as the Crusades and the Inquisition, has targetted
Judaism as "anti-Christian" and responsible for Christ's death.
Combine the exclusiveness, secrecy, and "God's chosen" mindset of
superiority that you pointed out in your post with medieval fanaticism
and exreme emotional reaction to Christ's death, and you have the
makings of a very big explosion.
More recently, Nietzsche's writing, which frequently uses the term
"Jew" in a derogatory way, contributed to Hitler's already exreme
anti-semitism and idea of the "super man." However, Nietzsche's prose
attacks all people of a spiritual nature, those who replace the desire
for dominance and survival with the relative idleness of an ascetic
lifestyle. When Nietzsche mentioned Jews, IMHO, he used them as a
model for ascetics in general. But his figurative use of the word was
lost on Hitler, and other racial supremecists.
The idea of superiority also fuels anti-semitism. I think the ego, by
nature, thinks of itself as superior. And, racial supremecy breeds
and feeds the tendency towards ideas of racial pride and supremecy in
others (which I think you hint at when you talk about Jewish secrecy
and the closed nature of their society).
S~
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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05 Apr 2004 02:53:52 AM |
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"Dan" <twotrickpony@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<521cc.24399$Pk3.4346@pd7tw1no>...
"Werewolfy" wrote;
In fact....I have no idea as to why they should be such a
persecuted
Nation.
I'll do my best not to baffle you with *****, unlike some
others here...
End of Part 1 of 12 parts, "Why the world hates the Jews"
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Thanks Dan. Yes, that tends to clear up my ignorance. I asked about
Jews, simply because I see so much accusation and hatred etc. I hear
about them rather a lot in this apn.. I would never consider
anti-semetism a problem in Europe as a whole.
In the Uk it is anti Pakistan/Indian.
In France it is anti Algerian.
It just seems that the US is pre-occupied with the issue more than
most.
Thanks. That was quite an essay. I read, and re-read it. Makes a lot
of sense,
The question, 'Would you let your daughter marry a.....' is a very
good one. I've asked myself that about negroes. The answer is a
general, 'not very likely'. Why? It's the culture difference as well
as the prospect of half-caste children.
Wrong? Yes, it's wrong...but one's view of protecting your daughter
tends to transcend moral issues.
Ah well...life goes on. Thanks again.
Ricky
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| User: "sUSAn B Anthony" |
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05 Apr 2004 06:24:24 AM |
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Well, I really don't know.
I read a lot of talk in here about Jews.
Something is missing in my education
maybe, but neither the culture, nor the
people, merit much discussion really.
In fact....I have no idea as to why they
should be such a persecuted
Nation.
As far as I can see...they are men and
women. Some nice, some greedy, some
rude, some average.
Most of the anti Jew talk originates from
Americans.
Not true. Check *where* the posts come from. You will see then.
Why is this? It seems that the US is as
pre-occupied with Jews in much the
same way as they were fanatical in
hunting down commmunist supporters.
Personally, I couldn't care less about
Jews. If I meet one, he's a man and I
treat him as he treats me.
Would someone be so kind as to explain
just why anti Jew feelings dominate the
Colonies?
They don't. You should re-check where the post come from. :)
I have never even heard of such antisemitism until I saw it on the
internet.
I don't understand what is going on between Israelis and Palestinians
and so I won't side with either one. There are two distinct versions of
who is at fault and it all looks crazy to me so I choose to mind my own
business and just hope they keep theirs over there.
We have our own problems to worry about.
sUSAn
Werewolfy
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