Saddam's Spies Survive
by James Dunnigan
October 29, 2004
The Saddam era Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) is still in business. In
Arabic, the IIS was called the Jihaz al-Mukhabarat al-Amma, and was more
commonly known as the Mukhabarat (Arab for “Intelligence.”) Combining the
work of the American CIA, FBI and Secret Service, the IIS had a core strength
of 5,000 highly trained, quite skilled, and very loyal (to Saddam) members. But
the IIS controlled other intelligence and paramilitary personnel that totaled
over 100,000 people. Few of these people were rounded up after Saddam’s
government fell in April, 2003. They are still out there. Most of them anyway.
Thusands have been arrested for involvement in anti-government activities, and
hundreds have been killed while carrying out terrorist or intelligence
operations. The IIS are almost entirely Sunni Arabs, and they are the core of
the violence and terrorism the Iraqi government has had to deal with for the
last 18 months.
The IIS, a CIA report recently revealed, had several departments that
specialized in developing weapons and tactics for the kind of war Saddam
loyalists are fighting now. There was even one department that did nothing but
develop road side bombs. These devices, which are assembled from various types
of explosives (including artillery shells), and fitted into a large number of
disguises (concrete blocks, trucks tires, piles of rubbish), were not a sudden
inspiration, after Saddam’s defeat, of hostile Iraqis, but the deliberate
invention of the IIS.
It was discovered, shortly after Saddam was run out of office in early 2003,
that the IIS had some kind of plan to keep on fighting. American intelligence
personnel (military and CIA), slowly put together the details of the IIS plan.
It wasn’t just about designs for road side bombs, but also all manner of
tactics and techniques on how to keep the fighting going. When Saddam was in
power, the IIS also was in charge of smuggling goods into Iraq (past the UN
embargo), and maintaining agents in neighboring countries to watch over these
activities. That is why the flow of people, money and weapons from Syria
appeared so quickly after Saddam’s was thrown out of power. The system was
already in place. The Sunni Arabs don’t just believe that they can use terror
and violence to regain power in Iraq, they carefully planned how to do it while
they were still in charge.
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25 Dec 2004 06:52:45 AM |
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Saddam is finished he will be executed, no way the Bush regime is going
to leave a witness alive.
LB
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27 Dec 2004 07:40:36 AM |
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"leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au"
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Saddam is finished he will be executed, >no way the Bush regime is going
to leave a witness alive.
LB
Care to make a wager on that? Why don't you join Amy and give your word to
leave this group when he's back in power?
Scared?
Tony
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| User: "WH" |
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24 Dec 2004 11:42:14 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Saddam's Spies Survive
by James Dunnigan
October 29, 2004
The Saddam era Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) is still in business.
In
Arabic, the IIS was called the Jihaz al-Mukhabarat al-Amma, and was
more
commonly known as the Mukhabarat (Arab for "Intelligence.")
Combining the
work of the American CIA, FBI and Secret Service, the IIS had a core
strength
of 5,000 highly trained, quite skilled, and very loyal (to Saddam)
members. But
the IIS controlled other intelligence and paramilitary personnel that
totaled
over 100,000 people. Few of these people were rounded up after
Saddam's
government fell in April, 2003. They are still out there. Most of
them anyway.
Thusands have been arrested for involvement in anti-government
activities, and
hundreds have been killed while carrying out terrorist or
intelligence
operations. The IIS are almost entirely Sunni Arabs, and they are the
core of
the violence and terrorism the Iraqi government has had to deal with
for the
last 18 months.
The IIS, a CIA report recently revealed, had several departments that
specialized in developing weapons and tactics for the kind of war
Saddam
loyalists are fighting now. There was even one department that did
nothing but
develop road side bombs. These devices, which are assembled from
various types
of explosives (including artillery shells), and fitted into a large
number of
disguises (concrete blocks, trucks tires, piles of rubbish), were not
a sudden
inspiration, after Saddam's defeat, of hostile Iraqis, but the
deliberate
invention of the IIS.
It was discovered, shortly after Saddam was run out of office in
early 2003,
that the IIS had some kind of plan to keep on fighting. American
intelligence
personnel (military and CIA), slowly put together the details of the
IIS plan.
It wasn't just about designs for road side bombs, but also all
manner of
tactics and techniques on how to keep the fighting going. When Saddam
was in
power, the IIS also was in charge of smuggling goods into Iraq (past
the UN
embargo), and maintaining agents in neighboring countries to watch
over these
activities. That is why the flow of people, money and weapons from
Syria
appeared so quickly after Saddam's was thrown out of power. The
system was
already in place. The Sunni Arabs don't just believe that they can
use terror
and violence to regain power in Iraq, they carefully planned how to
do it while
they were still in charge.
Well pantyboy...it would seem that the Iraqi intelligence is at a much
higher level than the yankie "intelligence" wouldn't it. Tell your
chief monkey to take his baboons home and allow the Iraqi's sort out
their own problems...you've caused far too much trouble as it is.
WH
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25 Dec 2004 05:34:13 AM |
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"WH"
wrote:
Well .it would seem that the Iraqi >intelligence is at a much
higher level than the yankie "intelligence" >wouldn't it.
Within their own country of course they are, I've said this for years, I
pointed out back in 1996 how the Iraqi intelligence agents outsmarted those of
the USA/UK and forced them to leave norther Iraq.
Make no mistake, the Iraqi Muhkubarat is one of the best in the world.
Tell your chief monkey to take his >baboons home and allow the Iraqi's sort
out their own problems...you've caused >far too much trouble as it is.
WH
So you look foward to civil war in Iraq where a million or more people will
die? Because that's what is going to happen when we leave.
Tony
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25 Dec 2004 09:40:07 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
"WH"
wrote:
Well .it would seem that the Iraqi >intelligence is at a much
higher level than the yankie "intelligence" >wouldn't it.
Within their own country of course they are, I've said this for
years, I
pointed out back in 1996 how the Iraqi intelligence agents outsmarted
those of
the USA/UK and forced them to leave norther Iraq.
Make no mistake, the Iraqi Muhkubarat is one of the best in the
world.
Tell your chief monkey to take his >baboons home and allow the
Iraqi's sort
out their own problems...you've caused >far too much trouble as it
is.
WH
So you look foward to civil war in Iraq where a million or more
people will
die? Because that's what is going to happen when we leave.
Tony
Well pantyboy...personally I would have preferred that you idiot yanks
never went in in the first place. If they didn't no problem, except
that the Iraqi's had a leader who was a vicious dictator. They would
have, themselves, in time gotton rid of him and his sons. You stupid
yanks went in on a lie, telling us all that Saddam had WMD's. When that
proved to be a big porkie, you said that you had at least gotton rid of
a beast. Yes you did, BUT that beast kept the country together. Jews,
Arabs, Christians and a host of others were actually PROTECTED by the
regime. Look what happened to Jugoslavia when Tito kicked the bucket!
Now you idiot yanks have created a lose lose situation. You can leave
and what you'll leave behind is a civil war with dire consequences...or
you can stay...with dire consequences. If only you arrogant fuckin'
pinheads had've listened to the rest of the world this mess could have
been avoided. If you fuckin' pricks had listened to the UN and followed
their way then this would never have happened. You've made the world a
much more violent place that is not safe anywhere. You've won
absolutely nothing by your arrogance and your belief that you know
best.
You're a bunch of fuckin' dozy arrogant bastards All you've achieved
with this show of strength is to ***** the world up! Now any prophet
worth his salt would have seen this and mentioned it. All the *****
about "anti-Christs" and hoards from the east and all the rest of that
***** is about the fuckin' arrogant yanks. It has to be. No other people
in the world are as insincere and arrogant as you lot. And not only
that, wherever you cunts go and whatever you do you leave behind chaos
and misery...along with tens of thousands of freshly dug graves. And
you're arrogance goes as far as to claim that God is on your side.
Don't those prophecies you keep mentioning say that the nasty
*****(s) will claim to be "holy" and "Godly"? But underneath it all
it's all bollocks and "the nasty *****(s)" turns out to be evil? Just
what you idiot yanks are doing now.
So pantyboy you anti-Christ...if there is a civil war in Iraq and
millions die...then you and the rest of your evil ilk are the cause of
it!
WH
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27 Dec 2004 07:44:49 AM |
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"WH"
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
"WH"
wrote:
Well .it would seem that the Iraqi >intelligence is at a much
higher level than the yankie "intelligence" >wouldn't it.
Within their own country of course they are, I've said this for
years, I
pointed out back in 1996 how the Iraqi intelligence agents outsmarted
those of
the USA/UK and forced them to leave norther Iraq.
Make no mistake, the Iraqi Muhkubarat is one of the best in the
world.
Tell your chief monkey to take his >baboons home and allow the
Iraqi's sort
out their own problems...you've caused >>>far too much trouble as it is.
WH
So you look foward to civil war in Iraq >>where a million or more
people will die? Because that's what is >>going to happen when we leave.
Tony
.personally I would have preferred that >you idiot yanks never went in in the
first >place. If they didn't no problem, except
that the Iraqi's had a leader who was a >vicious dictator. They would
have, themselves, in time gotton rid of >him and his sons.
Yeah ok, and the Moon is made out of cheese.
You stupid
yanks went in on a lie, telling us all that Saddam had WMD's. When that
proved to be a big porkie, you said that you had at least gotton rid of
a beast. Yes you did, BUT that beast kept the country together. Jews,
Arabs, Christians and a host of others were actually PROTECTED by the
regime. Look what happened to >Jugoslavia when Tito kicked the bucket!
So then we should let Dictators do whatever they want?
I snipped your diatribe of hate speech toward America.
Tony
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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24 Dec 2004 12:03:07 PM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Saddam's Spies Survive
by James Dunnigan
October 29, 2004
This is becoming one of longest suicide notes in Usenet history.
He's what, 67?
Shiites will likely win the Iraqi elections, whenever it happens. They
won't free him. Sunni's couldn't release him until they've taken control
after a civil war, which can't happen until the USM pulls out.
He's into his 70's before power.
Then a decent number of years before he can build his forces.
Doesn't leave a lot of time to usurp three nations <== while everyone
else just sits around sucking their thumbs... saying tsk, tsk, that
naughty Saddam.
Let me be the first to wish you Godspeed wherever you fetch up,
delusional fruitcake.
-A
The Saddam era Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) is still in business. In
Arabic, the IIS was called the Jihaz al-Mukhabarat al-Amma, and was more
commonly known as the Mukhabarat (Arab for “Intelligence.”) Combining the
work of the American CIA, FBI and Secret Service, the IIS had a core strength
of 5,000 highly trained, quite skilled, and very loyal (to Saddam) members. But
the IIS controlled other intelligence and paramilitary personnel that totaled
over 100,000 people. Few of these people were rounded up after Saddam’s
government fell in April, 2003. They are still out there. Most of them anyway.
Thusands have been arrested for involvement in anti-government activities, and
hundreds have been killed while carrying out terrorist or intelligence
operations. The IIS are almost entirely Sunni Arabs, and they are the core of
the violence and terrorism the Iraqi government has had to deal with for the
last 18 months.
The IIS, a CIA report recently revealed, had several departments that
specialized in developing weapons and tactics for the kind of war Saddam
loyalists are fighting now. There was even one department that did nothing but
develop road side bombs. These devices, which are assembled from various types
of explosives (including artillery shells), and fitted into a large number of
disguises (concrete blocks, trucks tires, piles of rubbish), were not a sudden
inspiration, after Saddam’s defeat, of hostile Iraqis, but the deliberate
invention of the IIS.
It was discovered, shortly after Saddam was run out of office in early 2003,
that the IIS had some kind of plan to keep on fighting. American intelligence
personnel (military and CIA), slowly put together the details of the IIS plan.
It wasn’t just about designs for road side bombs, but also all manner of
tactics and techniques on how to keep the fighting going. When Saddam was in
power, the IIS also was in charge of smuggling goods into Iraq (past the UN
embargo), and maintaining agents in neighboring countries to watch over these
activities. That is why the flow of people, money and weapons from Syria
appeared so quickly after Saddam’s was thrown out of power. The system was
already in place. The Sunni Arabs don’t just believe that they can use terror
and violence to regain power in Iraq, they carefully planned how to do it while
they were still in charge.
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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25 Dec 2004 05:39:10 AM |
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Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Saddam's Spies Survive
by James Dunnigan
October 29, 2004
This is becoming one of longest suicide >notes in Usenet history.
He's what, 67?
And?
Shiites will likely win the Iraqi elections, >whenever it happens. They
won't free him. Sunni's couldn't release >him until they've taken control
after a civil war, which can't happen until >the USM pulls out.
Which will be in about a year, give or take a little.
He's into his 70's before power.
Maybe, maybe not, but that point means nothing, Ronald Reagam was elected
President at 69 and served until he was 77. Ayatollah Khomeini ruled Iran until
he was 90; Ayatollah Sistani of Iraq is in his 80's and may play a top role
after the elections.
So what if Saddam is 67?
Then a decent number of years before he >can build his forces.
Doesn't leave a lot of time to usurp three >nations <== while everyone
else just sits around sucking their >thumbs... saying tsk, tsk, that
naughty Saddam.
More or less, I mean people like you don't like anyone trying to stop Saddam
from doing what he wants to do. Most of the world will hinder any attempts to
stop him.
Tony
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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25 Dec 2004 09:43:52 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Saddam's Spies Survive
by James Dunnigan
October 29, 2004
This is becoming one of longest suicide notes in Usenet history.
He's what, 67?
And?
The ticked tick-tocking of ticking tocks.
Shiites will likely win the Iraqi elections, whenever it happens. They
won't free him. Sunni's couldn't release him until they've taken control
after a civil war, which can't happen until the USM pulls out.
Which will be in about a year, give or take a little.
I've already established that you don't believe that with any conviction.
...or do you yet want to join the bet?
He's into his 70's before power.
Maybe, maybe not, but that point means nothing, Ronald Reagam was elected
President at 69 and served until he was 77. Ayatollah Khomeini ruled
Iran until
he was 90; Ayatollah Sistani of Iraq is in his 80's and may play a
top role
after the elections.
Sistani says politics corrupts religion <== wise man.
So what if Saddam is 67?
There were rumours of lymphatic cancer 4 years ago.
There were reports of general illness from a few years past. Ive tagged
a post from you on to the end of this reply from newsmax - ergo, it must
be true.
Other reports of sickness post-capture.
He's lost a lot of weight in the last 12 months.
Truth is; hes a broken man.
Then there's a promising appointment with a noose. I don't generally
support capital punishment but I'd make no opposition here. Body count
wise, it would be best if he died in prison soon!
Then a decent number of years before he can build his forces.
Well? How long would it take Saddam to reconstitute his armed forces and
country sufficient to usurp three nations? 15 years?
Doesn't leave a lot of time to usurp three nations <== while everyone
else just sits around sucking their thumbs... saying tsk, tsk, that
naughty Saddam.
More or less, I mean people like you
People like you say people like you.
don't like anyone trying to stop Saddam
Will you be producing any evidence to back that lie?
from doing what he wants to do. Most of the world will hinder any
attempts to
stop him.
The issue is moot, it ain't gonna happen.
But just for the sake of argument... who does he usurp?
Kuwait? Big yawn, we'll let that pass like last time.
Saudi? Who needs oil anyway?
Iran? LOL
Turkey? LOL
Jordan? Why?
Syria? Why?
My thoughts go out to your immediate family; you've devoted aeons to a
fantasy predicated on a fraudulent prophecy. Right here, 6:30 am on Xmas
morning you're posting about Saddam. What a waste.
Merry Christ-mass, turkey; enjoy this pagan holy-day.
-A
=>
Saddam Calls Up Army Reserves
NewsMax.com
Sunday, Sept. 10, 2000
[SNIP]
The newspaper reported that an Iraqi doctor told them previous reports
have indicated that the Iraqi president suffers from "pain in the
joints, disturbed breathing, a weakened respiratory system, weak
eyesight, and a lack of concentration." The doctor also told Al-Sharq
Al-Awsat that a security committee headed by the president's secretary,
Abd Humud, has decided that no Iraqi physician is allowed to treat
Saddam. The medical team treating Saddam, he said, is headed by French,
German and Swiss doctors.
Another "independent" Iraqi source reported that Saddam presided over a
family meeting attended by Humud, his sons Udayy and Qusayy, and his
three brothers Barzan, Watban, and Sab'awi, when it was decided that the
family council would be set up under Qusayy to run the nation's affairs.
[SNIP]
<=
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27 Dec 2004 07:54:47 AM |
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Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Saddam's Spies Survive
by James Dunnigan
October 29, 2004
This is becoming one of longest >>>suicide notes in Usenet history.
He's what, 67?
And?
The ticked tick-tocking of ticking tocks.
67 is hardly that old in today's world.
Shiites will likely win the Iraqi elections, whenever it happens. They
won't free him. Sunni's couldn't release him until they've taken control
after a civil war, which can't happen >>>until the USM pulls out.
Which will be in about a year, give or >>take a little.
I've already established that you don't >believe that with any conviction.
..or do you yet want to join the bet?
Like I said earlier, I'm not going to start betting on every single thing we
discuss in this group.
He's into his 70's before power.
Maybe, maybe not, but that point >>means nothing, Ronald Reagam was
elected President at 69 and served until >>he was 77. Ayatollah Khomeini
ruled
Iran until he was 90; Ayatollah Sistani of >>Iraq is in his 80's and may play
a
top role after the elections.
Sistani says politics corrupts religion <== wise man.
I notice that you ignore my point.
So what if Saddam is 67?
There were rumours of lymphatic cancer >4 years ago.
Yep, rumours.
There were reports of general illness from >a few years past. I’ve tagged
a post from you on to the end of this >reply from newsmax - ergo, it must
be true.
More rumours.
Other reports of sickness post-capture.
From which he has recovered.
He's lost a lot of weight in the last 12 >months.
Truth is; he’s a broken man.
Maybe, maybe not. Reports actually have hin being quite defiant, hardly sounds
like a broken man to me.
Then there's a promising appointment >with a noose. I don't generally
support capital punishment but I'd make >no opposition here. Body count
wise, it would be best if he died in >prison… soon!
It's not going to happen.
Then a decent number of years before >>>he can build his forces.
Well? How long would it take Saddam to >reconstitute his armed forces and
country sufficient to usurp three nations? >15 years?
Who knows, there's more than one way to usurp a country.
Doesn't leave a lot of time to usurp >>>three nations <== while everyone
else just sits around sucking their >>>thumbs... saying tsk, tsk, that
naughty Saddam.
More or less, I mean people like you
People like you say “people like you”.
don't like anyone trying to stop >>Saddam
Will you be producing any evidence to >back that lie?
You didn't support ousting him from power, and never would have.
from doing what he wants to do. Most >>of the world will hinder any
attempts to >>stop him.
The issue is moot, it ain't gonna happen.
It will happen, but you won't be in this group to discuss it, not unless you
break your word. ;-)
But just for the sake of argument... who >does he usurp?
Kuwait? Big yawn, we'll let that pass like last time.
Saudi? Who needs oil anyway?
Iran? LOL
Turkey? LOL
Jordan? Why?
Syria? Why?
You act as if this is all a joke, but you won't be laughing when it happens.
My thoughts go out to your immediate >family; you've devoted aeons to a
fantasy predicated on a fraudulent >prophecy. Right here, 6:30 am on Xmas
morning you're posting about Saddam. >What a waste.
Plank in your eye over there.
Tony
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I saw him slam dancing with Ronald McDonald on TV last night.
Tangents are infinite in all of nature in
all universes constantly and at random.
* D OUOSVAVV M *
*PUBLIUS ENIGMA*
Oh Joy!
Tom
The Psychedelic Pope
Patron Saint of the Internet
http://www.apple2.org.za/gswv/me/
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