If anyone has dc++ I suggest you search for and download the
documentary "why we fight" and then watch it of course. A British
documentary about the wars, and reasons for them, that the yanks have
involved themselves in/started since WWII. It's almost 800Mbs so I
can't email it to anyone 'cos it would take forever. If anyone has any
space I can upload it and people can download it from there say so.
This documentary completely debunks the ***** that the likes of the
douglas keep using to justify this filthy illegal invasion and
occupation of Iraq. This was probably not shown in America.
Recommended!
WH
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"WH" <bollogs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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If anyone has dc++ I suggest you search for and download the
documentary "why we fight" and then watch it of course. A British
documentary about the wars, and reasons for them, that the yanks have
involved themselves in/started since WWII. It's almost 800Mbs so I
can't email it to anyone 'cos it would take forever. If anyone has any
space I can upload it and people can download it from there say so.
This documentary completely debunks the ***** that the likes of the
douglas keep using to justify this filthy illegal invasion and
occupation of Iraq. This was probably not shown in America.
Recommended!
For those who might be interested, figure how to use these two links, and
you can find and download whatever you want.
http://torrentpond.com/
http://www.utorrent.com/
WH
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"WH" <bollogs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Recommended!
Agree strongly with you on that WH
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On 22 Apr, 17:07, "Krib" <kri...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
"WH" <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Recommended!
Agree strongly with you on that WH
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Have you seen it matie?
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"WH" <bollogs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Have you seen it matie?
Yes indeed, compulsive viewing, well presented. I don't agree with
every point made but I still think the underlying points are worthy of
and need to be brought into public domain for discussion.
No point burying our heads in the sand with reality, nothing gets changed if do.
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On Apr 22, 6:43 am, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
This documentary completely debunks the ***** that the likes of the
douglas keep using to justify this filthy illegal invasion and
occupation of Iraq.
Does it debunk all the Democrats in the US Congress who voted to
authorize the invasion? Does it debunk the current Democratic leader
of the US Senate, who said (in 2002) that Saddam's breach of the 1991
armistice rendered that armistice void, and thereby justified the
resumption of the armed conflict? I'm not saying the things I say as
an attempt to justify anything, other than to show how many people
were involved in supporting that invasion. What about Tony Blair? Does
he share any blame with you Bush haters? Or is it all about Bush (to
the exclusion of anyone else) for you?
This was probably not shown in America.
Yes it was. That remark perfectly demonstrates your ignorance of our
culture.
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22 Apr 2007 02:29:53 PM |
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On 22 Apr, 20:43, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 22, 6:43 am, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
This documentary completely debunks the ***** that the likes of the
douglas keep using to justify this filthy illegal invasion and
occupation of Iraq.
Does it debunk all the Democrats in the US Congress who voted to
authorize the invasion? Does it debunk the current Democratic leader
of the US Senate, who said (in 2002) that Saddam's breach of the 1991
armistice rendered that armistice void, and thereby justified the
resumption of the armed conflict? I'm not saying the things I say as
an attempt to justify anything, other than to show how many people
were involved in supporting that invasion. What about Tony Blair? Does
he share any blame with you Bush haters? Or is it all about Bush (to
the exclusion of anyone else) for you?
Yeah it does...by revealing the if you weren't "with us you were
against us" philosophy of the neocons. People afraid of compromising
their careers said nothing and even supported the neocons. Because the
neocons gave them that choice...I remember the monkey saying that on
the telly in a speech. Have you seen it douglas? Look at it! Listen to
what they say about "BLOWBACK"!
This was probably not shown in America.
Yes it was. That remark perfectly demonstrates your ignorance of our
culture
What "culture"? America has no culture apart from war mongering,
MacDonalds and Hollywood. None of you have a decilitre of culture in
you.
WH
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22 Apr 2007 11:43:29 PM |
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On 22 Apr 2007 12:29:53 -0700, WH <bollogs@hotmail.com> wrote:
What "culture"? America has no culture apart from war mongering,
MacDonalds and Hollywood. None of you have a decilitre of culture in
you.
That's not true, Chris. And I'm not sure you could be so confident in
what you say when you've never even *visited* America.
Let's see.. McDonald's? Nasty, wouldn't touch the stuff.
Hollywood? Sure, I like a lot of the movies (do you watch the
movies?), but I'd never want to be a *part* of the drama of Hollywood.
And culture? Actually, coincidentally, my culture is very much
Irish-Catholic. I grew up in South Boston that is mainly an Irish
Catholic neighborhood. There's lots of people that come straight from
Ireland, accent and all - and they run lots of the local bars/pubs
there.
And, there's even a mural there that says: Welcome to South Boston
in English.. and Fáilte go mBoston dheas in Irish. It also has a
Celtic cross and the coats of arms of the Provinces of Ireland.
I think you even mentioned that you have relatives that live in South
Boston, Chris.
So no, we aren't all just "McDonald's" and Hollywood. Not by a long
shot.
Dani
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23 Apr 2007 04:20:36 AM |
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On 23 Apr, 06:43, Dani <d.b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 22 Apr 2007 12:29:53 -0700, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
What "culture"? America has no culture apart from war mongering,
MacDonalds and Hollywood. None of you have a decilitre of culture in
you.
That's not true, Chris. And I'm not sure you could be so confident in
what you say when you've never even *visited* America.
Let's see.. McDonald's? Nasty, wouldn't touch the stuff.
Hollywood? Sure, I like a lot of the movies (do you watch the
movies?), but I'd never want to be a *part* of the drama of Hollywood.
And culture? Actually, coincidentally, my culture is very much
Irish-Catholic. I grew up in South Boston that is mainly an Irish
Catholic neighborhood. There's lots of people that come straight from
Ireland, accent and all - and they run lots of the local bars/pubs
there.
And, there's even a mural there that says: Welcome to South Boston
in English.. and F=E1ilte go mBoston dheas in Irish. It also has a
Celtic cross and the coats of arms of the Provinces of Ireland.
I think you even mentioned that you have relatives that live in South
Boston, Chris.
So no, we aren't all just "McDonald's" and Hollywood. Not by a long
shot.
Dani
WH- D=F6lj citerad text -
- Visa citerad text -
I said American culture Dani, not Irish culture. There lots of
different "cultures" in America but none of them are "American"
culture. See what I mean?
WH
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22 Apr 2007 02:41:58 PM |
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On Apr 22, 12:29 pm, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 22 Apr, 20:43, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 22, 6:43 am, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
This documentary completely debunks the ***** that the likes of the
douglas keep using to justify this filthy illegal invasion and
occupation of Iraq.
Does it debunk all the Democrats in the US Congress who voted to
authorize the invasion? Does it debunk the current Democratic leader
of the US Senate, who said (in 2002) that Saddam's breach of the 1991
armistice rendered that armistice void, and thereby justified the
resumption of the armed conflict? I'm not saying the things I say as
an attempt to justify anything, other than to show how many people
were involved in supporting that invasion. What about Tony Blair? Does
he share any blame with you Bush haters? Or is it all about Bush (to
the exclusion of anyone else) for you?
Yeah it does...by revealing the if you weren't "with us you were
against us" philosophy of the neocons. People afraid of compromising
their careers said nothing and even supported the neocons. Because the
neocons gave them that choice...I remember the monkey saying that on
the telly in a speech. Have you seen it douglas? Look at it! Listen to
what they say about "BLOWBACK"!
I see. So you're saying the Democrats in the US Congress, along with
Tony Blair and others, have no principles. Just so I've got that
straight.
This was probably not shown in America.
Yes it was. That remark perfectly demonstrates your ignorance of our
culture
What "culture"? America has no culture apart from war mongering,
MacDonalds and Hollywood. None of you have a decilitre of culture in
you.
So this crap I've been reading on this group about anti-Americanism
being all Bush's fault is just that -- crap. Right?
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22 Apr 2007 05:18:59 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" >
So this crap I've been reading on this group about anti-Americanism
being all Bush's fault is just that -- crap. Right?
I wish you would do yourself in one day. So I don't have to watch your
f***ing name appear on my computer screen every day!!!
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22 Apr 2007 08:16:09 PM |
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"mukyuk" <a@b.com> wrote in message
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"Steven Douglas" >
So this crap I've been reading on this group about anti-Americanism
being all Bush's fault is just that -- crap. Right?
I wish you would do yourself in one day. So I don't have to watch your
f***ing name appear on my computer screen every day!!!
Yeah, that's right, Stevie...and personal attack threads on you are as
popular as a banana split sundae!!! ;)
Not as popular as poop, though...
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22 Apr 2007 02:57:30 PM |
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On 22 Apr, 21:41, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 22, 12:29 pm, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 22 Apr, 20:43, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 22, 6:43 am, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
This documentary completely debunks the ***** that the likes of =
the
douglas keep using to justify this filthy illegal invasion and
occupation of Iraq.
Does it debunk all the Democrats in the US Congress who voted to
authorize the invasion? Does it debunk the current Democratic leader
of the US Senate, who said (in 2002) that Saddam's breach of the 1991
armistice rendered that armistice void, and thereby justified the
resumption of the armed conflict? I'm not saying the things I say as
an attempt to justify anything, other than to show how many people
were involved in supporting that invasion. What about Tony Blair? Does
he share any blame with you Bush haters? Or is it all about Bush (to
the exclusion of anyone else) for you?
Yeah it does...by revealing the if you weren't "with us you were
against us" philosophy of the neocons. People afraid of compromising
their careers said nothing and even supported the neocons. Because the
neocons gave them that choice...I remember the monkey saying that on
the telly in a speech. Have you seen it douglas? Look at it! Listen to
what they say about "BLOWBACK"!
I see. So you're saying the Democrats in the US Congress, along with
Tony Blair and others, have no principles. Just so I've got that
straight.
This was probably not shown in America.
Yes it was. That remark perfectly demonstrates your ignorance of our
culture
What "culture"? America has no culture apart from war mongering,
MacDonalds and Hollywood. None of you have a decilitre of culture in
you.
So this crap I've been reading on this group about anti-Americanism
being all Bush's fault is just that -- crap. Right?- D=F6lj citerad text -
- Visa citerad text -
Watch the documentary and *****-off. You're just a twat!
WH
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22 Apr 2007 04:06:01 PM |
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On Apr 22, 3:57 pm, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Watch the documentary and *****-off. You're just a twat!
WH
It's easier just to cling to the safety offered by the propaganda
ministry. Why run the risk of dealing with reality?
I imagine an ostrich feels rather safe with it's head in the sand.
Not the slightest need to be concerned with that big old backside
sticking up in the air.
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22 Apr 2007 04:35:21 PM |
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On Apr 22, 3:57 pm, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Watch the documentary and *****-off. You're just a twat!
WH
There's another aspect of being an ostrich these low lifes can enjoy.
They don't have to see the results of their neanderthal ideology.
I watched "Why We Fight" again this afternoon. When it came to the
section that discusses our precision shock and awe bombing in March
'03 it made me think of my own grandson when I saw the mangled bodies
of children they were taking to the hospitals. Close up looks at what
the not so accurate liberator's bombs brought.
You're not allowed to think of these things if you're a king..
There's no room for empathy. Cling to your rank ideology and keep
your distance to do what's right. Helps to be psychologically
predisposed to that distance.
Spent the day with my son yesterday. His boy is 9 months old now and
about three weeks into crawling. They're so beautiful, innocent at
that age. Taking joy in just the smallest things. Smiling all the
time, laughing at the dumbest things, crawling out in the grass and
the sunshine for the first times.
Bright blue eyes, blond hair, 4 brand new teeth exposed in that
constant massive smile.
Can't let Arab children get in the way of our broader agenda tho. We
need to resolve our imperial issues with bombs and lies.
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22 Apr 2007 09:17:29 AM |
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On Apr 22, 9:43 am, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
If anyone has dc++ I suggest you search for and download the
documentary "why we fight" and then watch it of course. A British
documentary about the wars, and reasons for them, that the yanks have
involved themselves in/started since WWII. It's almost 800Mbs so I
can't email it to anyone 'cos it would take forever. If anyone has any
space I can upload it and people can download it from there say so.
This documentary completely debunks the ***** that the likes of the
douglas keep using to justify this filthy illegal invasion and
occupation of Iraq. This was probably not shown in America.
Recommended!
WH
I'd add an enthusiastic endorsement of Chris' recommendation.
"Why We Fight" is out on dvd now and should be easy to find in any
video store. A film by Eugene Jarecki and backed by the BBC and the
CBC it was inspired by President Eisenhower's farewell address in
1961. It's the famous "military-industrial complex" speech. He
wanted to include the word "congressional" there but didn't want to
ruffle too many feathers.
It contains interviews with Richard Perle, John McCain and a number of
military and Washington insiders. Also a rather heartbreaking story
about a retired New York City policeman who lost a son at the World
Trade Towers.
I've been sharing my personal copy with a lot of people. Illustrating
that Bush and his 'bots are weak, incompetent liars has become a hobby
of mine.
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22 Apr 2007 06:47:32 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, John Lemke
<jflemke@locallink.net> Spat the Words
On Apr 22, 9:43 am, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
If anyone has dc++ I suggest you search for and download the
documentary "why we fight" and then watch it of course. A British
documentary about the wars, and reasons for them, that the yanks have
involved themselves in/started since WWII. It's almost 800Mbs so I
can't email it to anyone 'cos it would take forever. If anyone has any
space I can upload it and people can download it from there say so.
This documentary completely debunks the ***** that the likes of the
douglas keep using to justify this filthy illegal invasion and
occupation of Iraq. This was probably not shown in America.
Recommended!
WH
I'd add an enthusiastic endorsement of Chris' recommendation.
"Why We Fight" is out on dvd now and should be easy to find in any
video store. A film by Eugene Jarecki and backed by the BBC and the
CBC it was inspired by President Eisenhower's farewell address in
1961. It's the famous "military-industrial complex" speech. He
wanted to include the word "congressional" there but didn't want to
ruffle too many feathers.
It contains interviews with Richard Perle, John McCain and a number of
military and Washington insiders. Also a rather heartbreaking story
about a retired New York City policeman who lost a son at the World
Trade Towers.
I've been sharing my personal copy with a lot of people. Illustrating
that Bush and his 'bots are weak, incompetent liars has become a hobby
of mine.
Here's something else interesting.. a short excerpt from an
About.com article on this..
While "Why We Fight" does an admirable job at following the
money, Adam Curtis' three-hour documentary "The Power of
Nightmares," currently playing at Cinema Village in New York
and available for free download, is dedicated to ideas: the
rise of Islamist fundamentalism on the one hand, and Straussian
neo-conservative thought on the other, and the way they
interacted over the last half of the previous century. With
their different focus, the two films compliment each other
perfectly in describing how we ended up in the current
predicament.
Here's the download for 'The Power of Nightmares'
http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares
Incidentally, this torrent has a number of links to
'Why We Fight'
http://www.chomskytorrents.org/index.php
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22 Apr 2007 07:37:44 PM |
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On Apr 22, 7:47 pm, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
Here's the download for 'The Power of Nightmares'http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares
Here's another reason for me to dump my dial-up and go highspeed.
Thanks, Randy, I'll look for access from another angle.
If it takes more than a minute to load a page I'm loooooooooooooooong
gone. Time to move into the 21st century.
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22 Apr 2007 10:55:47 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, John Lemke
<jflemke@locallink.net> Spat the Words
On Apr 22, 7:47 pm, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
Here's the download for 'The Power of
Nightmares'http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares
Here's another reason for me to dump my dial-up and go highspeed.
Thanks, Randy, I'll look for access from another angle.
If it takes more than a minute to load a page I'm loooooooooooooooong
gone. Time to move into the 21st century.
I just downloaded the first chapter of this 'Power of Nightmares'
documentary, and just finished watching it. All I can say is wow.
It does a really good job of detailing exactly who the neocons are,
what their goals are, and specifically what methods they use to
attain their goals. It also spells out how they quickly filled
their ranks with foot-soldiers from the fundamentalist christian
organizations.
It's a must-see John. I'll have to wait to see parts 2 and 3
(I'm downloading part 2 right now.. each part is about 1.2 Gb
in size). You need a faster connection so you can get some of
these good videos.
-Randall
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22 Apr 2007 09:49:05 AM |
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On 22 Apr, 16:17, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
On Apr 22, 9:43 am, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
If anyone has dc++ I suggest you search for and download the
documentary "why we fight" and then watch it of course. A British
documentary about the wars, and reasons for them, that the yanks have
involved themselves in/started since WWII. It's almost 800Mbs so I
can't email it to anyone 'cos it would take forever. If anyone has any
space I can upload it and people can download it from there say so.
This documentary completely debunks the ***** that the likes of the
douglas keep using to justify this filthy illegal invasion and
occupation of Iraq. This was probably not shown in America.
Recommended!
WH
I'd add an enthusiastic endorsement of Chris' recommendation.
"Why We Fight" is out on dvd now and should be easy to find in any
video store. A film by Eugene Jarecki and backed by the BBC and the
CBC it was inspired by President Eisenhower's farewell address in
1961. It's the famous "military-industrial complex" speech. He
wanted to include the word "congressional" there but didn't want to
ruffle too many feathers.
So it is in America? I'de have thought they'de have suppressed it.
Anyway, good. Turns out Eisenhower was a bit of visionary after all.
It contains interviews with Richard Perle, John McCain and a number of
military and Washington insiders. Also a rather heartbreaking story
about a retired New York City policeman who lost a son at the World
Trade Towers.
Yep, that old man was seriously ripped off. Poor sod. It is
heartbreaking to see, and hear, how he was manipulated and used...but
it also reveals how the rest of America was manipulated by the regime
to support this illegal invasion. I doubt that this guy was the only
one...after over 3000 yankie deaths fighting for something that the
military corparations pushed for just to make money, oh and the oil
people too. Sickening!
I've been sharing my personal copy with a lot of people. Illustrating
that Bush and his 'bots are weak, incompetent liars has become a hobby
of mine.
The insider stuff is great. Revealing things that the average yank has
no idea of...how and why their country keeps the truth from them. I
think everyone should watch this documentry.
I think it was seventeen PERMANENT bases that the yanks are building
in Iraq!
WH
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22 Apr 2007 10:42:04 AM |
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On Apr 22, 10:49 am, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
So it is in America? I'de have thought they'de have suppressed it.
Anyway, good. Turns out Eisenhower was a bit of visionary after all.
Yup, it won the Grand Jury Prize at our Sundance Film Festival.
It contains interviews with Richard Perle, John McCain and a number of
military and Washington insiders. Also a rather heartbreaking story
about a retired New York City policeman who lost a son at the World
Trade Towers.
Yep, that old man was seriously ripped off. Poor sod. It is
heartbreaking to see, and hear, how he was manipulated and used...but
it also reveals how the rest of America was manipulated by the regime
to support this illegal invasion. I doubt that this guy was the only
one...after over 3000 yankie deaths fighting for something that the
military corparations pushed for just to make money, oh and the oil
people too. Sickening!
Illuminating! :-) Funny how the truth can make you a bit nauseus
tho.
The insider stuff is great. Revealing things that the average yank has
no idea of...how and why their country keeps the truth from them. I
think everyone should watch this documentry.
I think Woods has the right idea of getting it into schools.
Especially at the time kids are having their senior government
classes. Right about the time they have to sign up with the selective
service, think about enlisting in the military and prepare themselves
as responsible voters.
I think it was seventeen PERMANENT bases that the yanks are building
in Iraq!
WH
Empire sustains itself by acquiring and maintaining military bases
close to it's vital interests. America currently has more than 725
bases overseas.
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22 Apr 2007 12:10:48 PM |
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On Apr 22, 10:49 am, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
So it is in America? I'd have thought they'de have suppressed it.
Anyway, good.
Just wanted to add one more thing here.
I don't think that the situation has gotten to the point here where
that film would be suppressed in the old fashioned way you'd see in a
totalitarian society. I think it's a little more interesting than
that.
Many people wouldn't know about that documentary here because it
wouldn't be marketed to a wide audience like a Disney movie, or a
Grand Theft Auto dvd game or a TV series like "24". The only way if
you'd know about it would be if you'd already found sources of
information outside the mainstream. If you had been inspired to seek
out alternative sources, look at other sides of issues, seek out the
truth.
A few years ago an organization wanted to sponsor an animated "public
service" comercial asking people to stop and think about our consumer
society. The animation included a large pig eating everything in
sight all over the world. The point of the ad was to ask people to
stop on a designated day and buy nothing. They couldn't find one tv
network that was willing to broadcast the commercial.
So there's an "underlying" understanding here of what is needed to
maintain the status quo. Keep us living and thinking in ways that
promotes the health and welfare of our current system. "Why We Fight"
isn't part of the agenda.
Having said that, Eugene Jarecki, the producer of "Why We Fight" has
appeared on "Charlie Rose" and "The Daily Show" to promote his work.
Also, the scenes of John McCain in this film contrasted with him
recently singing bomb, bomb, bomb.......bomb, bomb Iran are very
telling.
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22 Apr 2007 09:49:34 AM |
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:17:29 -0700, John Lemke wrote:
On Apr 22, 9:43 am, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
If anyone has dc++ I suggest you search for and download the
documentary "why we fight" and then watch it of course. A British
documentary about the wars, and reasons for them, that the yanks have
involved themselves in/started since WWII. It's almost 800Mbs so I
can't email it to anyone 'cos it would take forever. If anyone has any
space I can upload it and people can download it from there say so.
This documentary completely debunks the ***** that the likes of the
douglas keep using to justify this filthy illegal invasion and
occupation of Iraq. This was probably not shown in America.
Recommended!
WH
I'd add an enthusiastic endorsement of Chris' recommendation.
"Why We Fight" is out on dvd now and should be easy to find in any
video store. A film by Eugene Jarecki and backed by the BBC and the
CBC it was inspired by President Eisenhower's farewell address in
1961. It's the famous "military-industrial complex" speech. He
wanted to include the word "congressional" there but didn't want to
ruffle too many feathers.
It contains interviews with Richard Perle, John McCain and a number of
military and Washington insiders. Also a rather heartbreaking story
about a retired New York City policeman who lost a son at the World
Trade Towers.
I've been sharing my personal copy with a lot of people. Illustrating
that Bush and his 'bots are weak, incompetent liars has become a hobby
of mine.
Sounds like it would be an interesting thing for, say, a Government class
in high school to show. My son's class is currently watching "An
Inconvenient Truth". Maybe I should buy a copy of this and donate it to
the school (after I watch it). ^_^
Woods
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| User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android" |
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22 Apr 2007 10:30:17 AM |
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On Apr 22, 10:49 am, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:17:29 -0700, John Lemke wrote:
On Apr 22, 9:43 am, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
If anyone has dc++ I suggest you search for and download the
documentary "why we fight" and then watch it of course. A British
documentary about the wars, and reasons for them, that the yanks have
involved themselves in/started since WWII. It's almost 800Mbs so I
can't email it to anyone 'cos it would take forever. If anyone has any
space I can upload it and people can download it from there say so.
This documentary completely debunks the ***** that the likes of the
douglas keep using to justify this filthy illegal invasion and
occupation of Iraq. This was probably not shown in America.
Recommended!
WH
I'd add an enthusiastic endorsement of Chris' recommendation.
"Why We Fight" is out on dvd now and should be easy to find in any
video store. A film by Eugene Jarecki and backed by the BBC and the
CBC it was inspired by President Eisenhower's farewell address in
1961. It's the famous "military-industrial complex" speech. He
wanted to include the word "congressional" there but didn't want to
ruffle too many feathers.
It contains interviews with Richard Perle, John McCain and a number of
military and Washington insiders. Also a rather heartbreaking story
about a retired New York City policeman who lost a son at the World
Trade Towers.
I've been sharing my personal copy with a lot of people. Illustrating
that Bush and his 'bots are weak, incompetent liars has become a hobby
of mine.
Sounds like it would be an interesting thing for, say, a Government class
in high school to show. My son's class is currently watching "An
Inconvenient Truth". Maybe I should buy a copy of this and donate it to
the school (after I watch it). ^_^
Woods
Speaking of 'An Inconvient Truth' ... check out this!
http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Play/16468/1/TDS-Global-Warming.wmv/
Likely one of the most bizarre and funny clips on TDS I've seen
recently.
Cheers!
-- Marvin
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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22 Apr 2007 11:01:56 AM |
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 08:30:17 -0700, Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
On Apr 22, 10:49 am, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:17:29 -0700, John Lemke wrote:
On Apr 22, 9:43 am, WH <boll...@hotmail.com> wrote:
If anyone has dc++ I suggest you search for and download the
documentary "why we fight" and then watch it of course. A British
documentary about the wars, and reasons for them, that the yanks have
involved themselves in/started since WWII. It's almost 800Mbs so I
can't email it to anyone 'cos it would take forever. If anyone has any
space I can upload it and people can download it from there say so.
This documentary completely debunks the ***** that the likes of the
douglas keep using to justify this filthy illegal invasion and
occupation of Iraq. This was probably not shown in America.
Recommended!
WH
I'd add an enthusiastic endorsement of Chris' recommendation.
"Why We Fight" is out on dvd now and should be easy to find in any
video store. A film by Eugene Jarecki and backed by the BBC and the
CBC it was inspired by President Eisenhower's farewell address in
1961. It's the famous "military-industrial complex" speech. He
wanted to include the word "congressional" there but didn't want to
ruffle too many feathers.
It contains interviews with Richard Perle, John McCain and a number of
military and Washington insiders. Also a rather heartbreaking story
about a retired New York City policeman who lost a son at the World
Trade Towers.
I've been sharing my personal copy with a lot of people. Illustrating
that Bush and his 'bots are weak, incompetent liars has become a hobby
of mine.
Sounds like it would be an interesting thing for, say, a Government class
in high school to show. My son's class is currently watching "An
Inconvenient Truth". Maybe I should buy a copy of this and donate it to
the school (after I watch it). ^_^
Woods
Speaking of 'An Inconvient Truth' ... check out this!
http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Play/16468/1/TDS-Global-Warming.wmv/
Likely one of the most bizarre and funny clips on TDS I've seen
recently.
Cheers!
-- Marvin
OMG, that's hilarious. They should be showing THAT in the schools, too! I
gotta start watching TDS on a more regular basis. (I just keep forgetting
to turn the TV on ...).
Woods
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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22 Apr 2007 10:32:17 AM |
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On Apr 22, 10:49 am, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
Sounds like it would be an interesting thing for, say, a Government class
in high school to show. My son's class is currently watching "An
Inconvenient Truth". Maybe I should buy a copy of this and donate it to
the school (after I watch it). ^_^
Woods
I would say that donation would be a sign of hands on, responsible
parenting.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: Why we fight |
22 Apr 2007 09:44:40 AM |
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 06:43:25 -0700, WH wrote:
If anyone has dc++ I suggest you search for and download the
documentary "why we fight" and then watch it of course. A British
documentary about the wars, and reasons for them, that the yanks have
involved themselves in/started since WWII. It's almost 800Mbs so I
can't email it to anyone 'cos it would take forever. If anyone has any
space I can upload it and people can download it from there say so.
This documentary completely debunks the ***** that the likes of the
douglas keep using to justify this filthy illegal invasion and
occupation of Iraq. This was probably not shown in America.
Recommended!
WH
Is this the one? ->
http://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Fight-John-McCain/dp/B000FBH3W2/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-7025381-0940931?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1177252952&sr=1-1
Woods
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| User: "WH" |
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22 Apr 2007 09:57:21 AM |
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On 22 Apr, 16:44, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 06:43:25 -0700, WH wrote:
If anyone has dc++ I suggest you search for and download the
documentary "why we fight" and then watch it of course. A British
documentary about the wars, and reasons for them, that the yanks have
involved themselves in/started since WWII. It's almost 800Mbs so I
can't email it to anyone 'cos it would take forever. If anyone has any
space I can upload it and people can download it from there say so.
This documentary completely debunks the ***** that the likes of the
douglas keep using to justify this filthy illegal invasion and
occupation of Iraq. This was probably not shown in America.
Recommended!
WH
Is this the one? ->http://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Fight-John-McCain/dp/B000FBH3W2/ref=pd_b...
Woods
I don't have the CD, I just downloaded it from the net. But the
picture of Eisenhower on the front tells me that it probably is the
right one. Seems Mr. Lemke has the cd so he can confirm it. Yes make
sure you watch it.
WH
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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22 Apr 2007 10:00:31 AM |
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On Apr 22, 10:44 am, Woodswun <woods...@tepidmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 06:43:25 -0700, WH wrote:
If anyone has dc++ I suggest you search for and download the
documentary "why we fight" and then watch it of course. A British
documentary about the wars, and reasons for them, that the yanks have
involved themselves in/started since WWII. It's almost 800Mbs so I
can't email it to anyone 'cos it would take forever. If anyone has any
space I can upload it and people can download it from there say so.
This documentary completely debunks the ***** that the likes of the
douglas keep using to justify this filthy illegal invasion and
occupation of Iraq. This was probably not shown in America.
Recommended!
WH
Is this the one? ->http://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Fight-John-McCain/dp/B000FBH3W2/ref=pd_b...
Woods
That's it, Woods.
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| User: "John Lemke" |
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| Title: Re: Why we fight |
24 Apr 2007 11:15:28 AM |
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You know, if you go back and watch President Eisenhower's farewell
speech you'd realize that he was no Republican. He was a mindless
leftist advocating vigilance against the influence and activities of
American corporations and their interactions with our congress and the
military establishment.
Thank God a family with strong ties to the military industrial complex
and their financiers has come to power in America to make sure that
freedom, prosperity and security remains strong for all of us.
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| User: "Perseid" |
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| Title: Re: Why we fight |
24 Apr 2007 05:41:45 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, John Lemke <jflemke@locallink.net>
Spat the Words
You know, if you go back and watch President Eisenhower's farewell
speech you'd realize that he was no Republican. He was a mindless
leftist advocating vigilance against the influence and activities of
American corporations and their interactions with our congress and the
military establishment.
Thank God a family with strong ties to the military industrial complex
and their financiers has come to power in America to make sure that
freedom, prosperity and security remains strong for all of us.
Geez.. stevie saying he used to back democrats.. john saying
he would've backed former republicans.. pretty soon cats and
dogs will be living together ! What the hell is this universe
coming to ? We must have had a star explode in a nearby galaxy
10 million years ago and we're just now feeling it's effects.
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