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User: "Jane"
Date: 20 Jan 2005 12:00:28 AM
Object: Will Canada (& Japan & Russia) Opt Out of Kyoto?
Jan. 19, 2005. 01:00 AM
We're faking and fibbing on Kyoto
RICHARD GWYN
A case can be made, not a certain one but a strongly persuasive one, that
Canada would have done a lot more good for the cause of global climate
control by not signing the Kyoto treaty, which comes into effect in just
four weeks.
Having signed on (and having endlessly congratulated ourselves for doing
more than those selfish, rapacious Americans), our government finds itself
in the embarrassing position that there's quite obviously no way we can
fulfill the Kyoto commitments we've taken on.
The government can't admit this, of course. So it's going to spend most of
the time to 2012 (when the target of a 5.2 per cent reduction in greenhouse
gases is supposed to be met) by faking it, by cheating and by fibbing - to
us and to others.
This last is the real rub. We pride ourselves on being "model world
citizens." Quite a few countries actually sort-of believe this about us. If
the good guy cheats, why shouldn't everyone else?
This is why our contribution to reducing global warming is more likely to be
an actual minus than just a zero. This unpleasant truth is just starting to
break into public view.
Outsiders know it well. At a U.N. conference on climate change in Buenos
Aires last month, the Japanese representative remarked, casually, as if it
were self-evident, that when the Kyoto treaty comes up for renewal in 2012,
Japan, Russia and Canada will all withdraw.
Back here, our own insiders know it equally well. A document prepared for
cabinet by senior officials that's just been leaked to the press declares
that under current policy and programs, "Canada is still going to be
significantly off the Kyoto target."
Unstated in this document is that faking and fibbing are already key parts
of our current policy and programs. Canada intends to claim as a reduction
in our greenhouse gas output any increase in natural gas sales to the U.S.
on the grounds these substitute for more polluting oil sales.
This proposition is patently rubbish. Kyoto or no Kyoto, we'll be selling
all the natural gas we can to make more money, not to make less carbon
dioxide.
But, comes the rebuttal, by signing on we're taking part in a great
multilateral exercise that, for all its faults, does represent a first step.
This is a fair, and an important, point. Kyoto critics keep complaining that
developing nations are exempt from the treaty. (China and India are now the
second- and third-largest global polluters). The U.N., though, has put the
role of developing countries in global warming on the agenda of its next
Kyoto conference in May.
And a rebuttal to the rebuttal exists south of the border. President George
W. Bush is indifferent to global warming. But a lot of Americans aren't. A
number of states, led by California and New York (both, incidentally, with
Republican governors), have enacted far stricter limits on emissions from
power stations than Canada envisages, and are planning similar limits on
automobiles, an action we haven't even started to think of.
And capitalists can occasionally be caring. Dow Chemical has reduced its
greenhouse gas output by an astonishing 65 per cent (and saved money). No
Canadian corporation has been as visionary. Similarly, none of our oil
companies has begun to match the pollution reductions already implemented by
Shell.
Our signing of Kyoto has been an exercise in political opportunism. Mostly,
it enables us to do precious little while reassuring Canadians we're better
than those awful Americans.
There are signs of improvement. Environment Minister Stéphane Dion is off
this week to learn what to do. Where's he going? California.
.

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Title: Re: Will Canada (& Japan & Russia) Opt Out of Kyoto? 20 Jan 2005 01:36:36 AM
Doesn't matter Jane.......the sea levels are gonna rise dramatically &
there will be
*major* coastal inundations worldwide before the end of 2008......so
the world is
basically fricked anyways......
Start paddling your canoe !!!!
Hooroo / Toodles
Uncle Wally
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Jane wrote:

Jan. 19, 2005. 01:00 AM

We're faking and fibbing on Kyoto

RICHARD GWYN

A case can be made, not a certain one but a strongly persuasive one,

that

Canada would have done a lot more good for the cause of global

climate

control by not signing the Kyoto treaty, which comes into effect in

just

four weeks.

Having signed on (and having endlessly congratulated ourselves for

doing

more than those selfish, rapacious Americans), our government finds

itself

in the embarrassing position that there's quite obviously no way we

can

fulfill the Kyoto commitments we've taken on.
The government can't admit this, of course. So it's going to spend

most of

the time to 2012 (when the target of a 5.2 per cent reduction in

greenhouse

gases is supposed to be met) by faking it, by cheating and by fibbing

- to

us and to others.

This last is the real rub. We pride ourselves on being "model world
citizens." Quite a few countries actually sort-of believe this about

us. If

the good guy cheats, why shouldn't everyone else?

This is why our contribution to reducing global warming is more

likely to be

an actual minus than just a zero. This unpleasant truth is just

starting to

break into public view.
Outsiders know it well. At a U.N. conference on climate change in

Buenos

Aires last month, the Japanese representative remarked, casually, as

if it

were self-evident, that when the Kyoto treaty comes up for renewal in

2012,

Japan, Russia and Canada will all withdraw.

Back here, our own insiders know it equally well. A document prepared

for

cabinet by senior officials that's just been leaked to the press

declares

that under current policy and programs, "Canada is still going to be
significantly off the Kyoto target."

Unstated in this document is that faking and fibbing are already key

parts

of our current policy and programs. Canada intends to claim as a

reduction

in our greenhouse gas output any increase in natural gas sales to the

U=2ES.

on the grounds these substitute for more polluting oil sales.

This proposition is patently rubbish. Kyoto or no Kyoto, we'll be

selling

all the natural gas we can to make more money, not to make less

carbon

dioxide.
But, comes the rebuttal, by signing on we're taking part in a great
multilateral exercise that, for all its faults, does represent a

first step.


This is a fair, and an important, point. Kyoto critics keep

complaining that

developing nations are exempt from the treaty. (China and India are

now the

second- and third-largest global polluters). The U.N., though, has

put the

role of developing countries in global warming on the agenda of its

next

Kyoto conference in May.
And a rebuttal to the rebuttal exists south of the border. President

George

W. Bush is indifferent to global warming. But a lot of Americans

aren't. A

number of states, led by California and New York (both, incidentally,

with

Republican governors), have enacted far stricter limits on emissions

from

power stations than Canada envisages, and are planning similar limits

on

automobiles, an action we haven't even started to think of.

And capitalists can occasionally be caring. Dow Chemical has reduced

its

greenhouse gas output by an astonishing 65 per cent (and saved

money). No

Canadian corporation has been as visionary. Similarly, none of our

oil

companies has begun to match the pollution reductions already

implemented by

Shell.
Our signing of Kyoto has been an exercise in political opportunism.

Mostly,

it enables us to do precious little while reassuring Canadians we're

better

than those awful Americans.

There are signs of improvement. Environment Minister St=E9phane Dion

is off

this week to learn what to do. Where's he going? California.

.
User: "Jane"

Title: Re: Will Canada (& Japan & Russia) Opt Out of Kyoto? 21 Jan 2005 09:00:29 AM
"La bouche de la vérité - Déjà Vu Le Prophéte"
<yessireeyesindeedydo@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1106206596.918847.129770@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Doesn't matter Jane.......the sea levels are gonna rise dramatically &
there will be
*major* coastal inundations worldwide before the end of 2008......so
the world is
basically fricked anyways......
Start paddling your canoe !!!!
I am far inland...but, before I give up on my retirement property on PEI,
I'll wait to see what happens to Japan this year :) !
I thought you were going to point out that 2012 is TEOTWAWKI, anyway!
Jane
Hooroo / Toodles
Uncle Wally
============================================================================
==========
Jane wrote:

Jan. 19, 2005. 01:00 AM

We're faking and fibbing on Kyoto

RICHARD GWYN

A case can be made, not a certain one but a strongly persuasive one,

that

Canada would have done a lot more good for the cause of global

climate

control by not signing the Kyoto treaty, which comes into effect in

just

four weeks.

Having signed on (and having endlessly congratulated ourselves for

doing

more than those selfish, rapacious Americans), our government finds

itself

in the embarrassing position that there's quite obviously no way we

can

fulfill the Kyoto commitments we've taken on.
The government can't admit this, of course. So it's going to spend

most of

the time to 2012 (when the target of a 5.2 per cent reduction in

greenhouse

gases is supposed to be met) by faking it, by cheating and by fibbing

- to

us and to others.

This last is the real rub. We pride ourselves on being "model world
citizens." Quite a few countries actually sort-of believe this about

us. If

the good guy cheats, why shouldn't everyone else?

This is why our contribution to reducing global warming is more

likely to be

an actual minus than just a zero. This unpleasant truth is just

starting to

break into public view.
Outsiders know it well. At a U.N. conference on climate change in

Buenos

Aires last month, the Japanese representative remarked, casually, as

if it

were self-evident, that when the Kyoto treaty comes up for renewal in

2012,

Japan, Russia and Canada will all withdraw.

Back here, our own insiders know it equally well. A document prepared

for

cabinet by senior officials that's just been leaked to the press

declares

that under current policy and programs, "Canada is still going to be
significantly off the Kyoto target."

Unstated in this document is that faking and fibbing are already key

parts

of our current policy and programs. Canada intends to claim as a

reduction

in our greenhouse gas output any increase in natural gas sales to the

U.S.

on the grounds these substitute for more polluting oil sales.

This proposition is patently rubbish. Kyoto or no Kyoto, we'll be

selling

all the natural gas we can to make more money, not to make less

carbon

dioxide.
But, comes the rebuttal, by signing on we're taking part in a great
multilateral exercise that, for all its faults, does represent a

first step.


This is a fair, and an important, point. Kyoto critics keep

complaining that

developing nations are exempt from the treaty. (China and India are

now the

second- and third-largest global polluters). The U.N., though, has

put the

role of developing countries in global warming on the agenda of its

next

Kyoto conference in May.
And a rebuttal to the rebuttal exists south of the border. President

George

W. Bush is indifferent to global warming. But a lot of Americans

aren't. A

number of states, led by California and New York (both, incidentally,

with

Republican governors), have enacted far stricter limits on emissions

from

power stations than Canada envisages, and are planning similar limits

on

automobiles, an action we haven't even started to think of.

And capitalists can occasionally be caring. Dow Chemical has reduced

its

greenhouse gas output by an astonishing 65 per cent (and saved

money). No

Canadian corporation has been as visionary. Similarly, none of our

oil

companies has begun to match the pollution reductions already

implemented by

Shell.
Our signing of Kyoto has been an exercise in political opportunism.

Mostly,

it enables us to do precious little while reassuring Canadians we're

better

than those awful Americans.

There are signs of improvement. Environment Minister Stéphane Dion

is off

this week to learn what to do. Where's he going? California.

.
User: "=?iso-8859-1?q?La_Bocca_Della_Verit=E0_-_D=E9j=E0_Vu_Le_Proph=E9te?="

Title: Re: Will Canada (& Japan & Russia) Opt Out of Kyoto? 21 Jan 2005 09:39:27 PM
Oh it is !! It is !!!
But there's a lot of sh!t gonna go down b4 then, especially from
2006-2012....
A long drawn out very painfull process, IOW !!!
"We're all up Sh!t Creek without a paddle !!" as my granddaddy used to
say !!!
hOOROO / Toodles
Uncle Wally (I feel like some frog in a Year 9 science class --
helpless & at the mercy
of those cruel & inhumane human beings !!!)
.



User: "K. Miller"

Title: Re: Will Canada (& Japan & Russia) Opt Out of Kyoto? 20 Jan 2005 12:34:10 AM
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I 'perceive that there will be a replacement of the Kyoto Accord that =
most Major countries will finally agree on within the next 12 months.
This is not a prediction, just common sense. Recent weather anomalies =
Worldwide has been enough to concern even the most Die-Hard skeptics in =
the United States.
Hopefully these concessions will not be too late to save the planet.
On a lighter note, humans are already learning to 'mutate' (through =
their offspring) to live with the 'modern' world we have created. - =
survival of the [most adaptive of the] human species is already taking =
place !!!
kmiller
"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:%NHHd.50869$W33.1332630@news20.bellglobal.com...
Jan. 19, 2005. 01:00 AM
We're faking and fibbing on Kyoto
RICHARD GWYN
A case can be made, not a certain one but a strongly persuasive one, =
that
Canada would have done a lot more good for the cause of global climate
control by not signing the Kyoto treaty, which comes into effect in =
just
four weeks.
Having signed on (and having endlessly congratulated ourselves for =
doing
more than those selfish, rapacious Americans), our government finds =
itself
in the embarrassing position that there's quite obviously no way we =
can
fulfill the Kyoto commitments we've taken on.
The government can't admit this, of course. So it's going to spend =
most of
the time to 2012 (when the target of a 5.2 per cent reduction in =
greenhouse
gases is supposed to be met) by faking it, by cheating and by fibbing =
- to
us and to others.
This last is the real rub. We pride ourselves on being "model world
citizens." Quite a few countries actually sort-of believe this about =
us. If
the good guy cheats, why shouldn't everyone else?
This is why our contribution to reducing global warming is more likely =
to be
an actual minus than just a zero. This unpleasant truth is just =
starting to
break into public view.
Outsiders know it well. At a U.N. conference on climate change in =
Buenos
Aires last month, the Japanese representative remarked, casually, as =
if it
were self-evident, that when the Kyoto treaty comes up for renewal in =
2012,
Japan, Russia and Canada will all withdraw.
Back here, our own insiders know it equally well. A document prepared =
for
cabinet by senior officials that's just been leaked to the press =
declares
that under current policy and programs, "Canada is still going to be
significantly off the Kyoto target."
Unstated in this document is that faking and fibbing are already key =
parts
of our current policy and programs. Canada intends to claim as a =
reduction
in our greenhouse gas output any increase in natural gas sales to the =
U.S.
on the grounds these substitute for more polluting oil sales.
This proposition is patently rubbish. Kyoto or no Kyoto, we'll be =
selling
all the natural gas we can to make more money, not to make less carbon
dioxide.
But, comes the rebuttal, by signing on we're taking part in a great
multilateral exercise that, for all its faults, does represent a first =
step.
This is a fair, and an important, point. Kyoto critics keep =
complaining that
developing nations are exempt from the treaty. (China and India are =
now the
second- and third-largest global polluters). The U.N., though, has put =
the
role of developing countries in global warming on the agenda of its =
next
Kyoto conference in May.
And a rebuttal to the rebuttal exists south of the border. President =
George
W. Bush is indifferent to global warming. But a lot of Americans =
aren't. A
number of states, led by California and New York (both, incidentally, =
with
Republican governors), have enacted far stricter limits on emissions =
from
power stations than Canada envisages, and are planning similar limits =
on
automobiles, an action we haven't even started to think of.
And capitalists can occasionally be caring. Dow Chemical has reduced =
its
greenhouse gas output by an astonishing 65 per cent (and saved money). =
No
Canadian corporation has been as visionary. Similarly, none of our oil
companies has begun to match the pollution reductions already =
implemented by
Shell.
Our signing of Kyoto has been an exercise in political opportunism. =
Mostly,
it enables us to do precious little while reassuring Canadians we're =
better
than those awful Americans.
There are signs of improvement. Environment Minister St=E9phane Dion =
is off
this week to learn what to do. Where's he going? California.
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reducing=20
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insiders know it equally well. A document prepared for<BR>cabinet by =
senior=20
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current=20
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the=20
Kyoto target."<BR><BR>Unstated in this document is that faking and =
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natural=20
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polluting=20
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less carbon<BR>dioxide.<BR>But, comes the rebuttal, by signing on =
we're taking=20
part in a great<BR>multilateral exercise that, for all its faults, =
does=20
represent a first step.<BR><BR>This is a fair, and an important, =
point. Kyoto=20
critics keep complaining that<BR>developing nations are exempt from =
the=20
treaty. (China and India are now the<BR>second- and third-largest =
global=20
polluters). The U.N., though, has put the<BR>role of developing =
countries in=20
global warming on the agenda of its next<BR>Kyoto conference in =
May.<BR>And a=20
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of.<BR><BR>And=20
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its<BR>greenhouse gas output by an astonishing 65 per cent (and saved =
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User: "Woodswun"

Title: Re: Will Canada (& Japan & Russia) Opt Out of Kyoto? 20 Jan 2005 04:19:20 PM
K. Miller wrote:

I 'perceive that there will be a replacement of the Kyoto Accord that
most Major countries will finally agree on within the next 12 months.

This is not a prediction, just common sense. Recent weather anomalies
Worldwide has been enough to concern even the most Die-Hard skeptics in
the United States.

Hopefully these concessions will not be too late to save the planet.

In order to 'save the planet', you have to require more than just powers
and superpowers to follow such environmental edicts - it has to include
developing countries as well. As it stands, Kyoto won't work.
Woods
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