The Torricelli Option: Will Dems dump Kerry?
Posted: April 28, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
2004 WorldNetDaily.com
There is palpable fear among Democrats as they contemplate their presumptive
nominee, John Kerry, the candidate who couldn't keep his lies straight.
Kerry followed a week made disastrous by his military records fiasco with a
Monday morning performance with Charlie Gibson of ABC's Good Morning America
that will live in TV history alongside the 1980 Roger Mudd-Teddy Kennedy
exchange through which it dawned on America that a senator in search of a verb
wasn't really equipped to be a president.
Gibson's refusal to be deflected by Kerry's rambling incoherence led to a
post-interview denunciation of ABC by Kerry. "They are doing the work of the
Republican National Committee," Kerry muttered. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Jennings et al., are working for the GOP which is working for Fox News' Roger
Ailes who is, of course, working for Halliburton. Hillary's vast, right-wing
conspiracy just got vaster. Like the Borg, the VRWC has absorbed Disney-owned
ABC. Who knew?
There are powers in the Democratic Party, and they cannot be pleased. Tom
Daschle, for one, has got to be thinking through the impact of a presidential
contest that is over once the polls close at 6 in the East. That sort of wave
in 1980 took out George McGovern and a lot of famous liberals just like
Daschle.
Streisand's got to be worried as well. She knows what happens when the movie
tanks in the first 10 minutes. People return her phone calls, even though she
doesn't make any sense at all. Rob Reiner knows a thing or two about stiffs as
well. Remember 1994's "North"? Neither does anyone else. Reiner knows that
hopes and dreams do not a success make.
And the Clintons-in-Exile, they must hear the music. Forget their ethics and
policies, they have a well-deserved reputation for perfect pitch when it comes
to politics. Imagine Bill and Hill watching Kerry strangle himself. How they
must laugh ... then cry. Hillary gets the nod in 2008, but what will be left
after the wipeout?
Another movie analogy: Jim Carrey in the bathroom scene from "Liar, Liar" when
he tries to injure himself. That's John Kerry over the past six weeks, throwing
himself against walls in front of the national TV audience with the effect of
inflicting maximum damage on himself.
It has worked.
Too well, I am afraid. Dems know he's a loser. But can anything be done?
Who knows? Don't bother looking up the rules governing nominations. There were
rules in Florida, and the Florida Supreme Court tore those up when Gore needed
help. There were rules in New Jersey, but when Torricelli flamed, the New
Jersey Supreme Court tossed those aside. There were rules in California, and
three judges ordered a halt to the recall that only went forward because the
luck of an en banc draw brought sanity to the review panel.
No, the rules won't stop Kerry's recall. Only Teddy can, and the weight of the
senior senator from Massachusetts shouldn't be underestimated. The Kerry
campaign is his last hurrah, and the convention's in Boston, for goodness sake.
What kind of a reception would follow a party that tossed Kerry onto the
tracks?
Does Daschle care? Does Patty Murray? Barbara Boxer? Any of a half-dozen
endangered Dem incumbents in the Senate and a score in the House? So the
receiving committee is a littlie frosty and Teddy dumps them from the Christmas
card list – they'll still have jobs.
And Dean – what's he thinking when he can get the voices to quiet down? He
was robbed, you know ... by the same people now conspiring against Kerry. Dean
doesn't forget, and there's not enough Ambien in America to get him a night's
sleep. What if, with another yell, he decides to demand an open convention.
"Let the delegates vote!" isn't a bad slogan. Bring back all the orange hats
and the blog and all that. Quite a party could be had by all.
Bill Clinton just announced the publication date of his new memoir: Late June.
How unfortunate for Kerry – Bill has to do a book tour for the month running
up to the convention, sucking the air right out of an already spent balloon.
Sorry, couldn't be avoided. Publisher deadlines and all.
So as Kerry melts away, there – on every television screen in the land –
will be Saturday Night Bill, playing his sax, blowing his own horn, saying
stuff. All sorts of stuff. Looking incredibly large, opposite the incredibly
small Kerry.
Tick, tick, tick. The Torricelli Option. Coming to theaters near you this
summer.
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Hey Tony!!
Tune in to Night Line on Friday evening ... every soldier killed by hostile
fire in Iraq is going to now have a name and a face ... no longer a
meaningless statistic. You, of all people, should be watching this since you
have advocated for their deaths the most.
GW's not going to walk into the November elections without their blood on
his hands.
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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The Torricelli Option: Will Dems dump Kerry?
Posted: April 28, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
2004 WorldNetDaily.com
There is palpable fear among Democrats as they contemplate their
presumptive
nominee, John Kerry, the candidate who couldn't keep his lies straight.
Kerry followed a week made disastrous by his military records fiasco with
a
Monday morning performance with Charlie Gibson of ABC's Good Morning
America
that will live in TV history alongside the 1980 Roger Mudd-Teddy Kennedy
exchange through which it dawned on America that a senator in search of a
verb
wasn't really equipped to be a president.
Gibson's refusal to be deflected by Kerry's rambling incoherence led to a
post-interview denunciation of ABC by Kerry. "They are doing the work of
the
Republican National Committee," Kerry muttered. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Jennings et al., are working for the GOP which is working for Fox News'
Roger
Ailes who is, of course, working for Halliburton. Hillary's vast,
right-wing
conspiracy just got vaster. Like the Borg, the VRWC has absorbed
Disney-owned
ABC. Who knew?
There are powers in the Democratic Party, and they cannot be pleased. Tom
Daschle, for one, has got to be thinking through the impact of a
presidential
contest that is over once the polls close at 6 in the East. That sort of
wave
in 1980 took out George McGovern and a lot of famous liberals just like
Daschle.
Streisand's got to be worried as well. She knows what happens when the
movie
tanks in the first 10 minutes. People return her phone calls, even though
she
doesn't make any sense at all. Rob Reiner knows a thing or two about
stiffs as
well. Remember 1994's "North"? Neither does anyone else. Reiner knows that
hopes and dreams do not a success make.
And the Clintons-in-Exile, they must hear the music. Forget their ethics
and
policies, they have a well-deserved reputation for perfect pitch when it
comes
to politics. Imagine Bill and Hill watching Kerry strangle himself. How
they
must laugh ... then cry. Hillary gets the nod in 2008, but what will be
left
after the wipeout?
Another movie analogy: Jim Carrey in the bathroom scene from "Liar, Liar"
when
he tries to injure himself. That's John Kerry over the past six weeks,
throwing
himself against walls in front of the national TV audience with the effect
of
inflicting maximum damage on himself.
It has worked.
Too well, I am afraid. Dems know he's a loser. But can anything be done?
Who knows? Don't bother looking up the rules governing nominations. There
were
rules in Florida, and the Florida Supreme Court tore those up when Gore
needed
help. There were rules in New Jersey, but when Torricelli flamed, the New
Jersey Supreme Court tossed those aside. There were rules in California,
and
three judges ordered a halt to the recall that only went forward because
the
luck of an en banc draw brought sanity to the review panel.
No, the rules won't stop Kerry's recall. Only Teddy can, and the weight of
the
senior senator from Massachusetts shouldn't be underestimated. The Kerry
campaign is his last hurrah, and the convention's in Boston, for goodness
sake.
What kind of a reception would follow a party that tossed Kerry onto the
tracks?
Does Daschle care? Does Patty Murray? Barbara Boxer? Any of a half-dozen
endangered Dem incumbents in the Senate and a score in the House? So the
receiving committee is a littlie frosty and Teddy dumps them from the
Christmas
card list - they'll still have jobs.
And Dean - what's he thinking when he can get the voices to quiet down? He
was robbed, you know ... by the same people now conspiring against Kerry.
Dean
doesn't forget, and there's not enough Ambien in America to get him a
night's
sleep. What if, with another yell, he decides to demand an open
convention.
"Let the delegates vote!" isn't a bad slogan. Bring back all the orange
hats
and the blog and all that. Quite a party could be had by all.
Bill Clinton just announced the publication date of his new memoir: Late
June.
How unfortunate for Kerry - Bill has to do a book tour for the month
running
up to the convention, sucking the air right out of an already spent
balloon.
Sorry, couldn't be avoided. Publisher deadlines and all.
So as Kerry melts away, there - on every television screen in the land -
will be Saturday Night Bill, playing his sax, blowing his own horn, saying
stuff. All sorts of stuff. Looking incredibly large, opposite the
incredibly
small Kerry.
Tick, tick, tick. The Torricelli Option. Coming to theaters near you this
summer.
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28 Apr 2004 08:14:16 PM |
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"Ex" <ex@ex.com> wrote in message news:QlMjc.75924$iX1.1144036@news20.bellglobal.com...
Hey Tony!!
Tune in to Night Line on Friday evening ... every soldier killed by hostile
fire in Iraq is going to now have a name and a face ... no longer a
meaningless statistic. You, of all people, should be watching this since you
have advocated for their deaths the most.
GW's not going to walk into the November elections without their blood on
his hands.
What about those VC that Kerry shot in the back? Do they count?
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29 Apr 2004 02:12:37 AM |
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"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
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"Ex" <ex@ex.com> wrote in message
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Hey Tony!!
Tune in to Night Line on Friday evening ... every soldier killed by
hostile
fire in Iraq is going to now have a name and a face ... no longer a
meaningless statistic. You, of all people, should be watching this since
you
have advocated for their deaths the most.
GW's not going to walk into the November elections without their blood
on
his hands.
What about those VC that Kerry shot in the back? Do they count?
I thought you were in the military yourself, DimWanker? Doesn't sound like
it from that statement. Unless you were an orderly or a cook or something.
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29 Apr 2004 06:24:14 PM |
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"Ex" <ex@ex.com> wrote in message
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Hey Tony!!
Tune in to Night Line on Friday evening ... every soldier killed by
hostile
fire in Iraq is going to now have a name and a face ... no longer a
meaningless statistic. You, of all people, should be watching this since
you
have advocated for their deaths the most.
GW's not going to walk into the November elections without their blood
on
his hands.
What about those VC that Kerry shot in the back? Do they count?
I thought you were in the military yourself, DimWanker? Doesn't sound like
it from that statement. Unless you were an orderly or a cook or something.
Is it in the character of all supreme, elitest Euro's to assume? Or is that your special trait?
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30 Apr 2004 02:13:39 AM |
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"Ex" <ex@ex.com> wrote in message
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Hey Tony!!
Tune in to Night Line on Friday evening ... every soldier killed by
hostile
fire in Iraq is going to now have a name and a face ... no longer a
meaningless statistic. You, of all people, should be watching this
since
you
have advocated for their deaths the most.
GW's not going to walk into the November elections without their
blood
on
his hands.
What about those VC that Kerry shot in the back? Do they count?
I thought you were in the military yourself, DimWanker? Doesn't sound
like
it from that statement. Unless you were an orderly or a cook or
something.
Is it in the character of all supreme, elitest Euro's to assume?
Elitset Euro's what, my poor little superstitous child?
Or is that your special trait?
Assuming, DimWanker? How.. ironic. LOL
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28 Apr 2004 07:45:30 AM |
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"Ex"
wrote:
Hey Tony!!
Tune in to Night Line on Friday evening ... every soldier killed by hostile
fire in Iraq is going to now have a name and a face ... no longer a
meaningless statistic. You, of all people, should be watching this since you
have advocated for their deaths the most.
It's a good thing we didn't have TV during WWII, can you imagine the time it
would take to show 300,000 faces?
All this is, is an attempt to soften up the American people, to try to weaken
our resolve to win this war.
Tony
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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The Torricelli Option: Will Dems dump Kerry?
Posted: April 28, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
2004 WorldNetDaily.com
There is palpable fear among Democrats as they contemplate their
presumptive
nominee, John Kerry, the candidate who couldn't keep his lies straight.
Kerry followed a week made disastrous by his military records fiasco with
a
Monday morning performance with Charlie Gibson of ABC's Good Morning
America
that will live in TV history alongside the 1980 Roger Mudd-Teddy Kennedy
exchange through which it dawned on America that a senator in search of a
verb
wasn't really equipped to be a president.
Gibson's refusal to be deflected by Kerry's rambling incoherence led to a
post-interview denunciation of ABC by Kerry. "They are doing the work of
the
Republican National Committee," Kerry muttered. Yeah, that's the tic
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28 Apr 2004 08:26:47 AM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Ex"
wrote:
Hey Tony!!
Tune in to Night Line on Friday evening ... every soldier killed by
hostile
fire in Iraq is going to now have a name and a face ... no longer a
meaningless statistic. You, of all people, should be watching this since
you
have advocated for their deaths the most.
It's a good thing we didn't have TV during WWII, can you imagine the time
it
would take to show 300,000 faces?
All this is, is an attempt to soften up the American people, to try to
weaken
our resolve to win this war.
Tony
ChickenHawk ... the war in Iraq is a complete setup ... and an increasing
number of Americans are begining to finally realize this. It's a complete
scam.
Bush, the puppet, can't testify in front of the 9-11 panel without the
Puppet-Master Cheney there. Nor can there be any official recordings of the
session ... gosh ... what's so secret??? They screwed up. They let Bin
Laden, the person most responsible for 9-11, go free and focused instead on
committing almost all of their available forces in going after Hussein, who
the White House has so far been unable to officially connect to 9-11, or
even prove he had WMD's.... are you starting to see the issues the Repubs
have??
Either you're a complete fool or a blind fanatic.... or possibly both.
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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The Torricelli Option: Will Dems dump Kerry?
Posted: April 28, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
2004 WorldNetDaily.com
There is palpable fear among Democrats as they contemplate their
presumptive
nominee, John Kerry, the candidate who couldn't keep his lies straight.
Kerry followed a week made disastrous by his military records fiasco
with
a
Monday morning performance with Charlie Gibson of ABC's Good Morning
America
that will live in TV history alongside the 1980 Roger Mudd-Teddy
Kennedy
exchange through which it dawned on America that a senator in search of
a
verb
wasn't really equipped to be a president.
Gibson's refusal to be deflected by Kerry's rambling incoherence led to
a
post-interview denunciation of ABC by Kerry. "They are doing the work
of
the
Republican National Committee," Kerry muttered. Yeah, that's the tic
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29 Apr 2004 05:05:38 AM |
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(TonyZ2001) wrote in message news:<20040428084530.28622.00000541@mb-m29.aol.com>...
"Ex"
wrote:
Hey Tony!!
Tune in to Night Line on Friday evening ... every soldier killed by hostile
fire in Iraq is going to now have a name and a face ... no longer a
meaningless statistic. You, of all people, should be watching this since you
have advocated for their deaths the most.
It's a good thing we didn't have TV during WWII, can you imagine the time it
would take to show 300,000 faces?
All this is, is an attempt to soften up the American people, to try to weaken
our resolve to win this war.
Tony
Thank God we don't have to fight world war 2 today! Hitler might very
well have won :(
Jane
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29 Apr 2004 05:49:25 AM |
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote in message
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"Ex"
wrote:
Hey Tony!!
Tune in to Night Line on Friday evening ... every soldier killed by
hostile
fire in Iraq is going to now have a name and a face ... no longer a
meaningless statistic. You, of all people, should be watching this
since you
have advocated for their deaths the most.
It's a good thing we didn't have TV during WWII, can you imagine the
time it
would take to show 300,000 faces?
All this is, is an attempt to soften up the American people, to try to
weaken
our resolve to win this war.
Tony
Thank God we don't have to fight world war 2 today! Hitler might very
well have won :(
What on earth makes you think that?
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29 Apr 2004 09:51:39 AM |
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote in message
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"Ex"
wrote:
Hey Tony!!
Tune in to Night Line on Friday evening ... every soldier killed by
hostile
fire in Iraq is going to now have a name and a face ... no longer a
meaningless statistic. You, of all people, should be watching this
since you
have advocated for their deaths the most.
It's a good thing we didn't have TV during WWII, can you imagine the
time it
would take to show 300,000 faces?
All this is, is an attempt to soften up the American people, to try to
weaken
our resolve to win this war.
Tony
Thank God we don't have to fight world war 2 today! Hitler might very
well have won :(
What on earth makes you think that?
Because I can't imagine we would put up with the casualties it
took...almost 100 000 Canadians, with 42 000 dead. We had one of the
top armed forces in the world by the end of WW2 and it has become a
sad joke (not the men and women that are serving, but their political
masters). Continental Europe is not much better. I think we would
dither until it was too late. I can picture the protests and
political pressure...I admit that I could be wrong, of course.
Jane
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In article <a8a04f01.0404290651.35e07da1@posting.google.com>, (Jane) wrote:
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote in message
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"Ex"
wrote:
Hey Tony!!
Tune in to Night Line on Friday evening ... every soldier killed by
hostile
fire in Iraq is going to now have a name and a face ... no longer a
meaningless statistic. You, of all people, should be watching this
since you
have advocated for their deaths the most.
It's a good thing we didn't have TV during WWII, can you imagine the
time it
would take to show 300,000 faces?
All this is, is an attempt to soften up the American people, to try to
weaken
our resolve to win this war.
Tony
Thank God we don't have to fight world war 2 today! Hitler might very
well have won :(
What on earth makes you think that?
Because I can't imagine we would put up with the casualties it
took...almost 100 000 Canadians, with 42 000 dead. We had one of the
top armed forces in the world by the end of WW2 and it has become a
sad joke (not the men and women that are serving, but their political
masters). Continental Europe is not much better. I think we would
dither until it was too late. I can picture the protests and
political pressure...I admit that I could be wrong, of course.
You very likely are. In fact, Roosevelt kept a news blackout on what was going
on in Europe to keep (1)Jewish refugees out and (2)avoid people screaming for
war. Refused to let a boatload of Jewish refugees land in the US, they went on
to Cuba, where all their belonging were confiscated before they were sent back
to Europe.
We would very likely not have waited for Pearl Harbor to get involved in WWII if
we'd had TV back then. As it was, there were large numbers of Americans who
went into Canada to join their army/air force because the US wasn't doing
anything.
Woods
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30 Apr 2004 02:44:05 AM |
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In article <a8a04f01.0404290651.35e07da1@posting.google.com>,
pushlinque@hotmail.com (Jane) wrote:
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote in message
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"Ex"
wrote:
Hey Tony!!
Tune in to Night Line on Friday evening ... every soldier killed
by
hostile
fire in Iraq is going to now have a name and a face ... no longer
a
meaningless statistic. You, of all people, should be watching this
since you
have advocated for their deaths the most.
It's a good thing we didn't have TV during WWII, can you imagine
the
time it
would take to show 300,000 faces?
All this is, is an attempt to soften up the American people, to try
to
weaken
our resolve to win this war.
Tony
Thank God we don't have to fight world war 2 today! Hitler might
very
well have won :(
What on earth makes you think that?
Because I can't imagine we would put up with the casualties it
took...almost 100 000 Canadians, with 42 000 dead. We had one of the
top armed forces in the world by the end of WW2 and it has become a
sad joke (not the men and women that are serving, but their political
masters). Continental Europe is not much better. I think we would
dither until it was too late. I can picture the protests and
political pressure...I admit that I could be wrong, of course.
You very likely are. In fact, Roosevelt kept a news blackout on what was
going
on in Europe to keep (1)Jewish refugees out and (2)avoid people screaming
for
war. Refused to let a boatload of Jewish refugees land in the US, they
went on
to Cuba, where all their belonging were confiscated before they were sent
back
to Europe.
We would very likely not have waited for Pearl Harbor to get involved in
WWII if
we'd had TV back then. As it was, there were large numbers of Americans
who
went into Canada to join their army/air force because the US wasn't doing
anything.
I have a few documentaries which include newsreel footage shown in British
cinemas during WWII. The incredible thing about it is they were NOT shy of
showing dead bodies, whether they were British, German, Japanese etc. It
contrasts COMPLETELY with the sanitized coverage we get these days. Of
course, it was for propaganda effect as much as anything (sad music when
showing dead civilians or allied troops, with calls for revenge, triumphant
music when showing dead Hun), but it is interesting to see how much the
attitudes of the governments have changd over time. Perhaps the press were
more independent then in some way?
Of course, the main difference between WWII and this little post
(pre?)-colonial mess is that Hitler and the Axis were a very real threat to
the world with large, advanced forces, not a hamstrung dictator with a pile
of rusting, obsolete equipment.
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01 May 2004 08:13:29 AM |
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"tw"
wrote:
Of course, the main difference between WWII and this little post
(pre?)-colonial mess is that Hitler and the Axis were a very real threat to
the world with large, advanced forces, not a hamstrung dictator with a pile
of rusting, obsolete equipment.
Hmmmm, I didn't know that Smallpox, Anthrax, etc could rust.
Tony
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"tw"
wrote:
Of course, the main difference between WWII and this little post
(pre?)-colonial mess is that Hitler and the Axis were a very real threat to
the world with large, advanced forces, not a hamstrung dictator with a pile
of rusting, obsolete equipment.
Hmmmm, I didn't know that Smallpox, Anthrax, etc could rust.
So where are they then? And more to the point, where was his
capability to deliver them? You fucking fool
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In article <a8a04f01.0404290651.35e07da1@posting.google.com>, (Jane) wrote:
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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"Ex"
wrote:
Hey Tony!!
Tune in to Night Line on Friday evening ... every soldier killed by
hostile
fire in Iraq is going to now have a name and a face ... no longer a
meaningless statistic. You, of all people, should be watching this
since you
have advocated for their deaths the most.
It's a good thing we didn't have TV during WWII, can you imagine the
time it
would take to show 300,000 faces?
All this is, is an attempt to soften up the American people, to try to
weaken
our resolve to win this war.
Tony
Thank God we don't have to fight world war 2 today! Hitler might very
well have won :(
What on earth makes you think that?
Because I can't imagine we would put up with the casualties it
took...almost 100 000 Canadians, with 42 000 dead. We had one of the
top armed forces in the world by the end of WW2 and it has become a
sad joke (not the men and women that are serving, but their political
masters). Continental Europe is not much better. I think we would
dither until it was too late. I can picture the protests and
political pressure...I admit that I could be wrong, of course.
You very likely are. In fact, Roosevelt kept a news blackout on what was going
on in Europe to keep (1)Jewish refugees out and (2)avoid people screaming for
war. Refused to let a boatload of Jewish refugees land in the US, they went on
to Cuba, where all their belonging were confiscated before they were sent back
to Europe.
We would very likely not have waited for Pearl Harbor to get involved in WWII if
we'd had TV back then. As it was, there were large numbers of Americans who
went into Canada to join their army/air force because the US wasn't doing
anything.
Woods
Canada also turned away boatloads of Jews, to our shame. I admit my
remark was a little flippant and that many will disagree with me. I
believe that WW3 began Sept.11, 2001 and that many in the west can't
see that it is truly a clash of civilizations. If we lose, we may be
living under sharia in some future time. I don't want that for my
granddaughters.
I certainly was not disparaging the US; to the contrary. I do feel
that we in the west are not made of the same "stuff" that the soldiers
who fought the first 2 WWs were made. If the going gets tough, we're
likely to turn tail (witness Spain), or not participate in the first
place (Canada). We'll see who is right as the future unfolds...
Jane
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30 Apr 2004 05:32:39 AM |
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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In article <a8a04f01.0404290651.35e07da1@posting.google.com>,
pushlinque@hotmail.com (Jane) wrote:
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tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote in message
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"Ex"
wrote:
Hey Tony!!
Tune in to Night Line on Friday evening ... every soldier killed
by
hostile
fire in Iraq is going to now have a name and a face ... no
longer a
meaningless statistic. You, of all people, should be watching
this
since you
have advocated for their deaths the most.
It's a good thing we didn't have TV during WWII, can you imagine
the
time it
would take to show 300,000 faces?
All this is, is an attempt to soften up the American people, to
try to
weaken
our resolve to win this war.
Tony
Thank God we don't have to fight world war 2 today! Hitler might
very
well have won :(
What on earth makes you think that?
Because I can't imagine we would put up with the casualties it
took...almost 100 000 Canadians, with 42 000 dead. We had one of the
top armed forces in the world by the end of WW2 and it has become a
sad joke (not the men and women that are serving, but their political
masters). Continental Europe is not much better. I think we would
dither until it was too late. I can picture the protests and
political pressure...I admit that I could be wrong, of course.
You very likely are. In fact, Roosevelt kept a news blackout on what
was going
on in Europe to keep (1)Jewish refugees out and (2)avoid people
screaming for
war. Refused to let a boatload of Jewish refugees land in the US, they
went on
to Cuba, where all their belonging were confiscated before they were
sent back
to Europe.
We would very likely not have waited for Pearl Harbor to get involved in
WWII if
we'd had TV back then. As it was, there were large numbers of Americans
who
went into Canada to join their army/air force because the US wasn't
doing
anything.
Woods
Canada also turned away boatloads of Jews, to our shame. I admit my
remark was a little flippant and that many will disagree with me. I
believe that WW3 began Sept.11, 2001 and that many in the west can't
see that it is truly a clash of civilizations.
Only if the ridiculous religious right get their way.
If we lose, we may be
living under sharia in some future time.
The way to lose is to upset everyday, moderate muslims by calling this a
"clash of civilisations"and even then all you will get is a lot of terrorist
attacks, there is NO WAY Western nations will have to submit to Taleban
style Sharia. Most of teh muslim world doesn't live under that anyway.
There is NO NEED for this conflict to be Christianity v Islam, but the
raving idiots in charge of US policy at the moment happen to be a bucng of
superstitious weirdo fundamentalists who are apparently obsessed with
self-fulfilling some ***** armageddon prophecies.
It's time the aetheists got militant.
I don't want that for my
granddaughters.
I wouldn't worry. They'll just grow up watching Britney and Aguilera trying
to outdo each other in the ***** stakes instead.
I certainly was not disparaging the US; to the contrary. I do feel
that we in the west are not made of the same "stuff" that the soldiers
who fought the first 2 WWs were made.
You never know until you get shot at. Of course, in WWII only something like
5% of our troops shot back, compared with, asy, the Falklands where it was
more like 95%.
If the going gets tough, we're
likely to turn tail (witness Spain),
Not this ***** again - they agree to have troops in Iraq under a UN
mandate - how is that turning tail?
or not participate in the first
place (Canada). We'll see who is right as the future unfolds...
Jane
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| User: "Jane" |
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30 Apr 2004 08:34:22 AM |
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:<c6t9rv$l1a$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>...
"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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In article <a8a04f01.0404290651.35e07da1@posting.google.com>,
pushlinque@hotmail.com (Jane) wrote:
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tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote in message
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"Ex"
wrote:
Hey Tony!!
Tune in to Night Line on Friday evening ... every soldier killed
by
hostile
fire in Iraq is going to now have a name and a face ... no
longer a
meaningless statistic. You, of all people, should be watching
this
since you
have advocated for their deaths the most.
It's a good thing we didn't have TV during WWII, can you imagine
the
time it
would take to show 300,000 faces?
All this is, is an attempt to soften up the American people, to
try to
weaken
our resolve to win this war.
Tony
Thank God we don't have to fight world war 2 today! Hitler might
very
well have won :(
What on earth makes you think that?
Because I can't imagine we would put up with the casualties it
took...almost 100 000 Canadians, with 42 000 dead. We had one of the
top armed forces in the world by the end of WW2 and it has become a
sad joke (not the men and women that are serving, but their political
masters). Continental Europe is not much better. I think we would
dither until it was too late. I can picture the protests and
political pressure...I admit that I could be wrong, of course.
You very likely are. In fact, Roosevelt kept a news blackout on what
was going
on in Europe to keep (1)Jewish refugees out and (2)avoid people
screaming for
war. Refused to let a boatload of Jewish refugees land in the US, they
went on
to Cuba, where all their belonging were confiscated before they were
sent back
to Europe.
We would very likely not have waited for Pearl Harbor to get involved in
WWII if
we'd had TV back then. As it was, there were large numbers of Americans
who
went into Canada to join their army/air force because the US wasn't
doing
anything.
Woods
Canada also turned away boatloads of Jews, to our shame. I admit my
remark was a little flippant and that many will disagree with me. I
believe that WW3 began Sept.11, 2001 and that many in the west can't
see that it is truly a clash of civilizations.
Only if the ridiculous religious right get their way.
If we lose, we may be
living under sharia in some future time.
The way to lose is to upset everyday, moderate muslims by calling this a
"clash of civilisations"and even then all you will get is a lot of terrorist
attacks, there is NO WAY Western nations will have to submit to Taleban
style Sharia. Most of teh muslim world doesn't live under that anyway.
Give it time
There is NO NEED for this conflict to be Christianity v Islam, but the
raving idiots in charge of US policy at the moment happen to be a bucng of
superstitious weirdo fundamentalists who are apparently obsessed with
self-fulfilling some ***** armageddon prophecies.
It's time the aetheists got militant.
I don't want that for my
granddaughters.
I wouldn't worry. They'll just grow up watching Britney and Aguilera trying
to outdo each other in the ***** stakes instead.
I certainly was not disparaging the US; to the contrary. I do feel
that we in the west are not made of the same "stuff" that the soldiers
who fought the first 2 WWs were made.
You never know until you get shot at. Of course, in WWII only something like
5% of our troops shot back, compared with, asy, the Falklands where it was
more like 95%.
If the going gets tough, we're
likely to turn tail (witness Spain),
Not this ***** again - they agree to have troops in Iraq under a UN
mandate - how is that turning tail?
or not participate in the first
place (Canada). We'll see who is right as the future unfolds...
Jane
I expect this reaction...as I said, we'll see how history unfolds.
BTW, I am not particularly religious, either, but have done much
reading on islam. This is not just paranoia; much comes from the
horse's mouth.
Jane
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| User: "Tom" |
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| Title: Re: Will Hillary replace poll plunging Kerry? |
03 May 2004 06:36:06 AM |
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(Jane) wrote in message news:<a8a04f01.0404300534.2875ff8b@posting.google.com>...
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:<c6t9rv$l1a$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>...
"Jane" < > wrote in message
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In article <a8a04f01.0404290651.35e07da1@posting.google.com>,
(Jane) wrote:
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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"Jane" < > wrote in message
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tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote in message
news:<20040428084530.28622.00000541@mb-m29.aol.com>...
"Ex"
wrote:
Hey Tony!!
Tune in to Night Line on Friday evening ... every soldier killed
by
hostile
fire in Iraq is going to now have a name and a face ... no
longer a
meaningless statistic. You, of all people, should be watching
this
since you
have advocated for their deaths the most.
It's a good thing we didn't have TV during WWII, can you imagine
the
time it
would take to show 300,000 faces?
All this is, is an attempt to soften up the American people, to
try to
weaken
our resolve to win this war.
Tony
Thank God we don't have to fight world war 2 today! Hitler might
very
well have won :(
What on earth makes you think that?
Because I can't imagine we would put up with the casualties it
took...almost 100 000 Canadians, with 42 000 dead. We had one of the
top armed forces in the world by the end of WW2 and it has become a
sad joke (not the men and women that are serving, but their political
masters). Continental Europe is not much better. I think we would
dither until it was too late. I can picture the protests and
political pressure...I admit that I could be wrong, of course.
You very likely are. In fact, Roosevelt kept a news blackout on what
was going
on in Europe to keep (1)Jewish refugees out and (2)avoid people
screaming for
war. Refused to let a boatload of Jewish refugees land in the US, they
went on
to Cuba, where all their belonging were confiscated before they were
sent back
to Europe.
We would very likely not have waited for Pearl Harbor to get involved in
WWII if
we'd had TV back then. As it was, there were large numbers of Americans
who
went into Canada to join their army/air force because the US wasn't
doing
anything.
Woods
Canada also turned away boatloads of Jews, to our shame. I admit my
remark was a little flippant and that many will disagree with me. I
believe that WW3 began Sept.11, 2001 and that many in the west can't
see that it is truly a clash of civilizations.
Only if the ridiculous religious right get their way.
If we lose, we may be
living under sharia in some future time.
The way to lose is to upset everyday, moderate muslims by calling this a
"clash of civilisations"and even then all you will get is a lot of terrorist
attacks, there is NO WAY Western nations will have to submit to Taleban
style Sharia. Most of teh muslim world doesn't live under that anyway.
Give it time
What? It is as likely that all Islamic states will live under Taleban
style Sharia law as it is that all Western states adopt fundaMENTAList
christian values as a moral and legal code.
There is NO NEED for this conflict to be Christianity v Islam, but the
raving idiots in charge of US policy at the moment happen to be a bucng of
superstitious weirdo fundamentalists who are apparently obsessed with
self-fulfilling some ***** armageddon prophecies.
It's time the aetheists got militant.
I don't want that for my
granddaughters.
I wouldn't worry. They'll just grow up watching Britney and Aguilera trying
to outdo each other in the ***** stakes instead.
I certainly was not disparaging the US; to the contrary. I do feel
that we in the west are not made of the same "stuff" that the soldiers
who fought the first 2 WWs were made.
You never know until you get shot at. Of course, in WWII only something like
5% of our troops shot back, compared with, asy, the Falklands where it was
more like 95%.
If the going gets tough, we're
likely to turn tail (witness Spain),
Not this ***** again - they agree to have troops in Iraq under a UN
mandate - how is that turning tail?
Well?
or not participate in the first
place (Canada). We'll see who is right as the future unfolds...
Jane
I expect this reaction...as I said, we'll see how history unfolds.
BTW, I am not particularly religious, either, but have done much
reading on islam.
You may have read, but apparently you have not understood.
This is not just paranoia; much comes from the
horse's mouth.
Horse's arse more like.
Jane
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01 May 2004 08:17:41 AM |
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pushlinque@hotmail.com (Jane)
wrote:
woodswun@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in message
news:<Ptgkc.53885$X14.7711@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
In article <a8a04f01.0404290651.35e07da1@posting.google.com>,
pushlinque@hotmail.com (Jane) wrote:
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
news:<c6qmff$dsu$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>...
"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote in message
news:<20040428084530.28622.00000541@mb-m29.aol.com>...
"Ex"
wrote:
Hey Tony!!
Tune in to Night Line on Friday evening ... every soldier killed by
hostile
fire in Iraq is going to now have a name and a face ... no longer a
meaningless statistic. You, of all people, should be watching this
since you
have advocated for their deaths the most.
It's a good thing we didn't have TV during WWII, can you imagine the
time it
would take to show 300,000 faces?
All this is, is an attempt to soften up the American people, to try
to
weaken
our resolve to win this war.
Tony
Thank God we don't have to fight world war 2 today! Hitler might very
well have won :(
What on earth makes you think that?
Because I can't imagine we would put up with the casualties it
took...almost 100 000 Canadians, with 42 000 dead. We had one of the
top armed forces in the world by the end of WW2 and it has become a
sad joke (not the men and women that are serving, but their political
masters). Continental Europe is not much better. I think we would
dither until it was too late. I can picture the protests and
political pressure...I admit that I could be wrong, of course.
You very likely are. In fact, Roosevelt kept a news blackout on what was
going
on in Europe to keep (1)Jewish refugees out and (2)avoid people screaming
for
war. Refused to let a boatload of Jewish refugees land in the US, they
went on
to Cuba, where all their belonging were confiscated before they were sent
back
to Europe.
We would very likely not have waited for Pearl Harbor to get involved in
WWII if
we'd had TV back then. As it was, there were large numbers of Americans
who
went into Canada to join their army/air force because the US wasn't doing
anything.
Woods
Canada also turned away boatloads of Jews, to our shame. I admit my
remark was a little flippant and that many will disagree with me. I
believe that WW3 began Sept.11, 2001 and that many in the west can't
see that it is truly a clash of civilizations. If we lose, we may be
living under sharia in some future time. I >don't want that for my
granddaughters.
You're a very wise woman, Jane. Take a look at the article I posted today about
how Muslims want to incorporate Sharia into Internatinal law.
I certainly was not disparaging the US; to the contrary. I do feel
that we in the west are not made of the same "stuff" that the soldiers
who fought the first 2 WWs were made.
And you're right. The Liberals in todays society want us to be weak, but they
admire strength in our enemies.
If the going gets tough, we're
likely to turn tail (witness Spain), or not >participate in the first
place (Canada). We'll see who is right as >the future unfolds...
Jane
You're going to be right, and the prophecies back this up. The West will be too
soft until it is too late.
Tony
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| User: "Jane" |
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| Title: Re: Will Hillary replace poll plunging Kerry? |
01 May 2004 02:41:21 PM |
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(TonyZ2001) wrote in message news:<20040501091741.13628.00000666@mb-m21.aol.com>...
pushlinque@hotmail.com (Jane)
wrote:
woodswun@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in message
news:<Ptgkc.53885$X14.7711@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
In article <a8a04f01.0404290651.35e07da1@posting.google.com>,
pushlinque@hotmail.com (Jane) wrote:
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
news:<c6qmff$dsu$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>...
"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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(TonyZ2001) wrote in message
news:<20040428084530.28622.00000541@mb-m29.aol.com>...
"Ex"
wrote:
Hey Tony!!
Tune in to Night Line on Friday evening ... every soldier killed by
hostile
fire in Iraq is going to now have a name and a face ... no longer a
meaningless statistic. You, of all people, should be watching this
since you
have advocated for their deaths the most.
It's a good thing we didn't have TV during WWII, can you imagine the
time it
would take to show 300,000 faces?
All this is, is an attempt to soften up the American people, to try
to
weaken
our resolve to win this war.
Tony
Thank God we don't have to fight world war 2 today! Hitler might very
well have won :(
What on earth makes you think that?
Because I can't imagine we would put up with the casualties it
took...almost 100 000 Canadians, with 42 000 dead. We had one of the
top armed forces in the world by the end of WW2 and it has become a
sad joke (not the men and women that are serving, but their political
masters). Continental Europe is not much better. I think we would
dither until it was too late. I can picture the protests and
political pressure...I admit that I could be wrong, of course.
You very likely are. In fact, Roosevelt kept a news blackout on what was
going
on in Europe to keep (1)Jewish refugees out and (2)avoid people screaming
for
war. Refused to let a boatload of Jewish refugees land in the US, they
went on
to Cuba, where all their belonging were confiscated before they were sent
back
to Europe.
We would very likely not have waited for Pearl Harbor to get involved in
WWII if
we'd had TV back then. As it was, there were large numbers of Americans
who
went into Canada to join their army/air force because the US wasn't doing
anything.
Woods
Canada also turned away boatloads of Jews, to our shame. I admit my
remark was a little flippant and that many will disagree with me. I
believe that WW3 began Sept.11, 2001 and that many in the west can't
see that it is truly a clash of civilizations. If we lose, we may be
living under sharia in some future time. I >don't want that for my
granddaughters.
You're a very wise woman, Jane. Take a look at the article I posted today about
how Muslims want to incorporate Sharia into Internatinal law.
I certainly was not disparaging the US; to the contrary. I do feel
that we in the west are not made of the same "stuff" that the soldiers
who fought the first 2 WWs were made.
And you're right. The Liberals in todays society want us to be weak, but they
admire strength in our enemies.
If the going gets tough, we're
likely to turn tail (witness Spain), or not >participate in the first
place (Canada). We'll see who is right as >the future unfolds...
Jane
You're going to be right, and the prophecies back this up. The West will be too
soft until it is too late.
Tony
The funny thing is, I would love to be proven wrong! Unfortunately,
I've read extensively on the subject, as well as had conversations
with muslims and I'm afraid I'm not wrong. I don't know that it will
happen overnight, that is why I refer to (my as-yet-unborn)
granddaughters...A good place for anyone who believes I am just a
neocon racist to start would be www.islamonline.net. Read what they
believe...especially the live fatwa and fatwa bank, where muslims
write in for advice. If you wish to live according to their rules,
fine. They believe we are all born muslim anyway...
There is a plan to set up a sharia court in Toronto to deal with civil
issues in the muslim community. (Within Canadian law, naturally...for
now) So it begins...
Jane
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01 May 2004 11:25:59 PM |
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tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote in message news:<20040501091741.13628.00000666@mb-m21.aol.com>...
(Jane)
wrote:
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In article <a8a04f01.0404290651.35e07da1@posting.google.com>,
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"Jane" < > wrote in message
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tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote in message
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"Ex"
wrote:
Hey Tony!!
Tune in to Night Line on Friday evening ... every soldier killed by
hostile
fire in Iraq is going to now have a name and a face ... no longer a
meaningless statistic. You, of all people, should be watching this
since you
have advocated for their deaths the most.
It's a good thing we didn't have TV during WWII, can you imagine the
time it
would take to show 300,000 faces?
All this is, is an attempt to soften up the American people, to try
to
weaken
our resolve to win this war.
Tony
Thank God we don't have to fight world war 2 today! Hitler might very
well have won :(
What on earth makes you think that?
Because I can't imagine we would put up with the casualties it
took...almost 100 000 Canadians, with 42 000 dead. We had one of the
top armed forces in the world by the end of WW2 and it has become a
sad joke (not the men and women that are serving, but their political
masters). Continental Europe is not much better. I think we would
dither until it was too late. I can picture the protests and
political pressure...I admit that I could be wrong, of course.
You very likely are. In fact, Roosevelt kept a news blackout on what was
going
on in Europe to keep (1)Jewish refugees out and (2)avoid people screaming
for
war. Refused to let a boatload of Jewish refugees land in the US, they
went on
to Cuba, where all their belonging were confiscated before they were sent
back
to Europe.
We would very likely not have waited for Pearl Harbor to get involved in
WWII if
we'd had TV back then. As it was, there were large numbers of Americans
who
went into Canada to join their army/air force because the US wasn't doing
anything.
Woods
Canada also turned away boatloads of Jews, to our shame. I admit my
remark was a little flippant and that many will disagree with me. I
believe that WW3 began Sept.11, 2001 and that many in the west can't
see that it is truly a clash of civilizations. If we lose, we may be
living under sharia in some future time. I >don't want that for my
granddaughters.
You're a very wise woman, Jane. Take a look at the article I posted today about
how Muslims want to incorporate Sharia into Internatinal law.
I certainly was not disparaging the US; to the contrary. I do feel
that we in the west are not made of the same "stuff" that the soldiers
who fought the first 2 WWs were made.
And you're right. The Liberals in todays society want us to be weak, but they
admire strength in our enemies.
If the going gets tough, we're
likely to turn tail (witness Spain), or not >participate in the first
place (Canada). We'll see who is right as >the future unfolds...
Jane
You're going to be right, and the prophecies back this up. The West will be too
soft until it is too late.
Tony
The funny thing is, I would love to be proven wrong! Unfortunately,
I've read extensively on the subject, as well as had conversations
with muslims and I'm afraid I'm not wrong.
I'm afraid you are! All you've read is *****...the likes of Tony
the facist you're having this conversion with. Saying this after
reading islamonline just shows that you are, like pantyboy Tony,
looking for negative stuff. In other words you too are a racist. If
you want to find out about Islam, the real Islam, go to an Arab
country and talk to "real" people.
You and Tony...two peas in a pod it would seem.
I don't know that it will
happen overnight, that is why I refer to (my as-yet-unborn)
granddaughters...A good place for anyone who believes I am just a
neocon racist to start would be www.islamonline.net.
Try reading WorldNetDaily for the Christian version of that!
WH
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tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote in message
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"Ex"
wrote:
Hey Tony!!
Tune in to Night Line on Friday evening ... every soldier killed by
hostile
fire in Iraq is going to now have a name and a face ... no longer a
meaningless statistic. You, of all people, should be watching this
since you
have advocated for their deaths the most.
It's a good thing we didn't have TV during WWII, can you imagine the
time it
would take to show 300,000 faces?
All this is, is an attempt to soften up the American people, to try
to
weaken
our resolve to win this war.
Tony
Thank God we don't have to fight world war 2 today! Hitler might very
well have won :(
What on earth makes you think that?
Because I can't imagine we would put up with the casualties it
took...almost 100 000 Canadians, with 42 000 dead. We had one of the
top armed forces in the world by the end of WW2 and it has become a
sad joke (not the men and women that are serving, but their political
masters). Continental Europe is not much better. I think we would
dither until it was too late. I can picture the protests and
political pressure...I admit that I could be wrong, of course.
You very likely are. In fact, Roosevelt kept a news blackout on what was
going
on in Europe to keep (1)Jewish refugees out and (2)avoid people screaming
for
war. Refused to let a boatload of Jewish refugees land in the US, they
went on
to Cuba, where all their belonging were confiscated before they were sent
back
to Europe.
We would very likely not have waited for Pearl Harbor to get involved in
WWII if
we'd had TV back then. As it was, there were large numbers of Americans
who
went into Canada to join their army/air force because the US wasn't doing
anything.
Woods
Canada also turned away boatloads of Jews, to our shame. I admit my
remark was a little flippant and that many will disagree with me. I
believe that WW3 began Sept.11, 2001 and that many in the west can't
see that it is truly a clash of civilizations. If we lose, we may be
living under sharia in some future time. I >don't want that for my
granddaughters.
You're a very wise woman, Jane. Take a look at the article I posted today about
how Muslims want to incorporate Sharia into Internatinal law.
I certainly was not disparaging the US; to the contrary. I do feel
that we in the west are not made of the same "stuff" that the soldiers
who fought the first 2 WWs were made.
And you're right. The Liberals in todays society want us to be weak, but they
admire strength in our enemies.
If the going gets tough, we're
likely to turn tail (witness Spain), or not >participate in the first
place (Canada). We'll see who is right as >the future unfolds...
Jane
You're going to be right, and the prophecies back this up. The West will be too
soft until it is too late.
Tony
The funny thing is, I would love to be proven wrong! Unfortunately,
I've read extensively on the subject, as well as had conversations
with muslims and I'm afraid I'm not wrong.
I'm afraid you are! All you've read is *****...the likes of Tony
the facist you're having this conversion with. Saying this after
reading islamonline just shows that you are, like pantyboy Tony,
looking for negative stuff. In other words you too are a racist. If
you want to find out about Islam, the real Islam, go to an Arab
country and talk to "real" people.
You and Tony...two peas in a pod it would seem.
I admit I haven't been to an arab country, but I do have a Lebanese
aunt (very nice person, I might add). I also knew arab foreign
students in university (early 80s) What really got me interested was
when I worked side-by-side with an older Pakistani-Canadian...we got
along great, but debated for hours. His views scared the hell out of
me, so I began to read extensively about Islam an its relations with
the west. Not just islamonline; I only said it is a good place to
start. Their experts, BTW, come from all over the world, including
North America.
I am also curious as to when islam became a race (?)
I don't know that it will
happen overnight, that is why I refer to (my as-yet-unborn)
granddaughters...A good place for anyone who believes I am just a
neocon racist to start would be www.islamonline.net.
Try reading WorldNetDaily for the Christian version of that!
WH
I've read WND and have other news sites that I prefer. I am not
particularly religious and am a firm believer in separation of church
and state. The muslims I know do not have this belief.
Jane
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02 May 2004 07:35:09 AM |
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On 2 May 2004 05:10:49 -0700, (Jane) wrote:
I've read WND and have other news sites that I prefer. I am not
particularly religious and am a firm believer in separation of church
and state. The muslims I know do not have this belief.
Jane
neither does the Church.
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02 May 2004 03:58:17 PM |
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Cuan <an@nymous.co.za> wrote in message news:<4nq9901st6ic2r75ihskq321s5anhn9q6c@4ax.com>...
On 2 May 2004 05:10:49 -0700, (Jane) wrote:
I've read WND and have other news sites that I prefer. I am not
particularly religious and am a firm believer in separation of church
and state. The muslims I know do not have this belief.
Jane
neither does the Church.
I would disagree as far as mainstream churches are concerned.
Besides, I am concerned with avoiding sharia government, not
advocating govt run by any other religion.
Jane
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03 May 2004 09:45:39 AM |
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"Jane" <> wrote in message
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Cuan <an@nymous.co.za> wrote in message
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On 2 May 2004 05:10:49 -0700, (Jane) wrote:
I've read WND and have other news sites that I prefer. I am not
particularly religious and am a firm believer in separation of church
and state. The muslims I know do not have this belief.
Jane
neither does the Church.
I would disagree as far as mainstream churches are concerned.
Besides, I am concerned with avoiding sharia government, not
advocating govt run by any other religion.
...and as you have been told several times now, there's plenty of Muslim
nations you could live in and NOT have sharia imposed on you. If taht is
your only concern, well, you don't have much to be worried about.
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03 May 2004 01:46:16 PM |
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:<c75lqa$57b$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>...
"Jane" < > wrote in message
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On 2 May 2004 05:10:49 -0700, (Jane) wrote:
I've read WND and have other news sites that I prefer. I am not
particularly religious and am a firm believer in separation of church
and state. The muslims I know do not have this belief.
Jane
neither does the Church.
I would disagree as far as mainstream churches are concerned.
Besides, I am concerned with avoiding sharia government, not
advocating govt run by any other religion.
..and as you have been told several times now, there's plenty of Muslim
nations you could live in and NOT have sharia imposed on you. If taht is
your only concern, well, you don't have much to be worried about.
And as I have said repeatedly, I don't not expect it to happen
overnight! We will wait to see how the future unfolds and then we
will see who is right.
Jane
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04 May 2004 02:46:52 AM |
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"Jane" <> wrote in message
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