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User: "TonyZ2001"
Date: 28 Jul 2004 07:11:29 AM
Object: Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility?
High noon in the Gulf
Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility?
Posted: July 28, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
2004 WorldNetDaily.com
With the Sept. 11 commission report pointing fingers of responsibility at Iran
and Tehran inching closer to the development of a nuclear arms program, is it
only a matter of time before Israel strikes the country's nuclear facilities as
it did in Iraq in 1981?
Israeli planners tell Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin a strike at Iran's nuclear
plant would hardly resemble the attack on Iraq's Ossirak plant 23 years ago.
For one thing, the element of surprise is all but gone.
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The Ossirak destruction happened under relatively quiet conditions in the
region and was a classic first-time unpredictable attack. The Iranian setting
is completely different. It is important to understand, and be aware of the
fact Iranian military planners are active in assessing the risk factor for
their nuclear complexes, and they are taking all necessary and possible counter
measures available to them.
From a pure military position the destruction of the Busher complex, say the
sources, does not require an exceptionally sophisticated maneuver. There is no
need for a cloak and dagger operation to discover the sites which are well
observed through a series of satellites. A regular iron bomb could flatten the
dome or destroy other nearby facilities, not to mention the use of smart bombs,
which in theory cannot miss. The risk level would be for the crews burdened
with executing such an air raid.
Israeli experts stress there are less than three years before the site goes
warm. In planning the Ossirak operation the Israeli air force carefully
considered the stage of the nuclear reactor. It was of paramount importance to
destroy a cold reactor, knowing the destruction of a warm one could lead to a
new Chernobyl-like ecological disaster.
Israeli planners are obviously working under the pressure of a timing factor,
probably trying to figure out if and when the Iranian reactor will go warm.
Scientists carefully bear in mind the ripple effect of such a scenario, saying
that although the Busher province is sparsely inhabited, it is close to other
centers on both sides of the Persian Gulf.
If attacked while in operation the danger to civilians and allied forces and
navies, could be significant, including the possibility wrong timing from a
meteorological point of view could cause a huge area to become contaminated
with radioactive fallout.
A review of the regional map, and analyzing the Israeli air force capabilities,
suggests an aerial penetration of the Busher area could come through the air
space of Arab states such as Jordan and Saudi Arabia, and even through Syria
and Iraq. The Israeli air force has successfully proven, on more than one
occasion, it possesses some of the best technology to enable such a move. As a
matter of fact, in a number of instances the Israeli air force demonstrated its
technological-scientific know-how, described by experts as most probably having
an "electronic stealth capability."
Other options, such as a long range flight over the Red Sea and around the
southern tip of the Arabian Peninsula all the way to Busher and back, would
require a high level of cooperation with many air forces operating in the area.
An approach to Busher from the south would be almost impossible due to the
density of military air activity in the region.
A retired Israeli air force general, a veteran of many sophisticated
operations, told G2B: "There is no problem to plan an operation and to destroy
the complex, but the skies of the Middle East are not as open as they were 23
years ago."
The general added that the Gulf area alone has today one of the largest
concentrations of air activity including counter, detection and monitoring
measures. He added that density could on the other hand be an asset, helping to
disguise the movement of a few aircraft, though only with the full cooperation
of friendly air forces will the attackers be able to return home safely.
Military options go far beyond an air raid. Here are a number of alternative
options:
A raid by naval or airborne commandos who would penetrate the Busher facility.
Such a raid requires a highly sophisticated team, a relatively large force to
quell the garrison, to penetrate the central part of the complex while carrying
a relatively heavy load of explosives. However, it would be extremely difficult
to extract a force like this. Such operations are depicted in Hollywood
creations or in the minds of imaginative action writers.
A missile attack: Israel possesses long range ballistic missiles, equipped with
sophisticated guiding systems. These are supported by satellite guidance or
control equipment handled by on-the-ground agents. They can easily attack and
destroy the most important components of the Busher complex or any other
selected target. The down side of this option is the fact the missiles would
have to be launched from Israel. This creates the danger of being detected
early on in the operation and possibly even being intercepted. The U.S. and
Russia are undoubtedly constantly monitoring the regional air space and would
immediately detect a long range missile launch.
Launching cruise or guided missiles from a submarine not too far from the
target. Information about the Israeli navy's latest submarine acquisitions
includes the assessment that, with the exception of nuclear power, the new subs
are capable of doing most everything a sophisticated U.S. or Russian sub can
do. In this case the launching point could be in or outside the Gulf region.
A missile launch from a disguised freighter or camouflaged tanker armed with
surface-to-surface missiles. In such a case the launch can come from anywhere
in the region and evidence could be immediately disposed of by scuttling the
vessel.
Nobody, with the exception of a very small group of Israeli planners, probably
headed by the prime minister himself, is fully familiar with the specifics of
the option to be selected, the timing of its execution or even whether an
attack will indeed come.
One Israeli analyst talking to G2B said: "Such decisions are made in a very
lonely environment with no friends to share the burden."
He also used a western metaphor by comparing Gary Cooper cleaning up a town
with no support coming from those who were affected by a dangerous hoodlum. He
summarized his assessment by saying: "For Israel the decision will come at
'high noon' with no partners and no support other than her own resources and
risk taking."
.

User: "dreamwalker"

Title: Re: Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility? 29 Jul 2004 12:22:33 AM
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040728081129.23951.00002749@mb-m28.aol.com...

High noon in the Gulf
Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility?

Posted: July 28, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

2004 WorldNetDaily.com

With the Sept. 11 commission report pointing fingers of responsibility at Iran
and Tehran inching closer to the development of a nuclear arms program, is it
only a matter of time before Israel strikes the country's nuclear facilities as
it did in Iraq in 1981?

Yes it is.


Israeli planners tell Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin a strike at Iran's nuclear
plant would hardly resemble the attack on Iraq's Ossirak plant 23 years ago.

For one thing, the element of surprise is all but gone.

Nonsense.



The Ossirak destruction happened under relatively quiet conditions in the
region and was a classic first-time unpredictable attack. The Iranian setting
is completely different. It is important to understand, and be aware of the
fact Iranian military planners are active in assessing the risk factor for
their nuclear complexes, and they are taking all necessary and possible counter
measures available to them.

From a pure military position the destruction of the Busher complex, say the
sources, does not require an exceptionally sophisticated maneuver. There is no
need for a cloak and dagger operation to discover the sites which are well
observed through a series of satellites. A regular iron bomb could flatten the
dome or destroy other nearby facilities, not to mention the use of smart bombs,
which in theory cannot miss. The risk level would be for the crews burdened
with executing such an air raid.

Israeli experts stress there are less than three years before the site goes
warm. In planning the Ossirak operation the Israeli air force carefully
considered the stage of the nuclear reactor. It was of paramount importance to
destroy a cold reactor, knowing the destruction of a warm one could lead to a
new Chernobyl-like ecological disaster.

Israeli planners are obviously working under the pressure of a timing factor,
probably trying to figure out if and when the Iranian reactor will go warm.
Scientists carefully bear in mind the ripple effect of such a scenario, saying
that although the Busher province is sparsely inhabited, it is close to other
centers on both sides of the Persian Gulf.

If attacked while in operation the danger to civilians and allied forces and
navies, could be significant, including the possibility wrong timing from a
meteorological point of view could cause a huge area to become contaminated
with radioactive fallout.

A review of the regional map, and analyzing the Israeli air force capabilities,
suggests an aerial penetration of the Busher area could come through the air
space of Arab states such as Jordan and Saudi Arabia, and even through Syria
and Iraq. The Israeli air force has successfully proven, on more than one
occasion, it possesses some of the best technology to enable such a move. As a
matter of fact, in a number of instances the Israeli air force demonstrated its
technological-scientific know-how, described by experts as most probably having
an "electronic stealth capability."

Other options, such as a long range flight over the Red Sea and around the
southern tip of the Arabian Peninsula all the way to Busher and back, would
require a high level of cooperation with many air forces operating in the area.
An approach to Busher from the south would be almost impossible due to the
density of military air activity in the region.

A retired Israeli air force general, a veteran of many sophisticated
operations, told G2B: "There is no problem to plan an operation and to destroy
the complex, but the skies of the Middle East are not as open as they were 23
years ago."

The general added that the Gulf area alone has today one of the largest
concentrations of air activity including counter, detection and monitoring
measures. He added that density could on the other hand be an asset, helping to
disguise the movement of a few aircraft, though only with the full cooperation
of friendly air forces will the attackers be able to return home safely.

Military options go far beyond an air raid. Here are a number of alternative
options:


A raid by naval or airborne commandos who would penetrate the Busher facility.
Such a raid requires a highly sophisticated team, a relatively large force to
quell the garrison, to penetrate the central part of the complex while carrying
a relatively heavy load of explosives. However, it would be extremely difficult
to extract a force like this. Such operations are depicted in Hollywood
creations or in the minds of imaginative action writers.

A missile attack: Israel possesses long range ballistic missiles, equipped with
sophisticated guiding systems. These are supported by satellite guidance or
control equipment handled by on-the-ground agents. They can easily attack and
destroy the most important components of the Busher complex or any other
selected target. The down side of this option is the fact the missiles would
have to be launched from Israel. This creates the danger of being detected
early on in the operation and possibly even being intercepted. The U.S. and
Russia are undoubtedly constantly monitoring the regional air space and would
immediately detect a long range missile launch.

Launching cruise or guided missiles from a submarine not too far from the
target. Information about the Israeli navy's latest submarine acquisitions
includes the assessment that, with the exception of nuclear power, the new subs
are capable of doing most everything a sophisticated U.S. or Russian sub can
do. In this case the launching point could be in or outside the Gulf region.

A missile launch from a disguised freighter or camouflaged tanker armed with
surface-to-surface missiles. In such a case the launch can come from anywhere
in the region and evidence could be immediately disposed of by scuttling the
vessel.
Nobody, with the exception of a very small group of Israeli planners, probably
headed by the prime minister himself, is fully familiar with the specifics of
the option to be selected, the timing of its execution or even whether an
attack will indeed come.

One Israeli analyst talking to G2B said: "Such decisions are made in a very
lonely environment with no friends to share the burden."

He also used a western metaphor by comparing Gary Cooper cleaning up a town
with no support coming from those who were affected by a dangerous hoodlum. He
summarized his assessment by saying: "For Israel the decision will come at
'high noon' with no partners and no support other than her own resources and
risk taking."

The attack will be multi-pronged. Israel has mid-flight refueling capability from several KC-135
tankers America has supplied. They are also in the process of aquiring 100 F16L's over the next 3-5
years. In addition, a deal has been struck for them to recieve several more Boeing supertankers in
the next two years. A combination air assault and guided missle sub attack will be something the
Iranians simply can't counter. So, they have no need to fly over Saudi Arabia or Jordan. Not that
the Saudi's would mind. They don't want a nuclear Iran anymore more than Israel. Hell, they'll look
the other way and ***** afterward.
Iran wants a nuke plant for one reason only. Bombs. They have an almost unlimited supply of natural
gas. Its clean and much less expensive then nuclear power.
.
User: "Krib"

Title: Re: Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility? 30 Jul 2004 06:51:21 AM
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.net> wrote in message
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The attack will be multi-pronged.

More pathetic speculation from walter mitty ;0)
--
krib
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User: "dreamwalker"

Title: !Re: Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility? 30 Jul 2004 08:08:24 PM
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"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.net> wrote in message
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The attack will be multi-pronged.


More pathetic speculation from walter mitty ;0)
--
krib


The Jews will do a fine job blowing the fucker to pieces. What warms my heart is morons like you and
tw can't do a thing about it. Haha!
.
User: "Krib"

Title: Re: Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility? 31 Jul 2004 04:49:28 AM
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.net> wrote in message
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The Jews will do a fine job blowing the fucker to pieces.

Good luck to them if they do, in their place that's precisely
what I'd do myself.

What warms my heart is morons like you and tw can't do a
thing about it. Haha!

That you're stupid enough to believe I would want to is your
problem. That you find something you know nothing about
heartwarming is good, an ignorant, gutless nobody like you
needs something positive in your useless existence. That's
probably why you get all warm and moist when you shoot
the crap out of a deer, it's the nearest you've been to all
of your little war fantasies ;0)
Big hunter chief sittingbullshit, yeah you *so* tough :0)
--
krib
.

User: "tw"

Title: Re: Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility? 02 Aug 2004 02:37:09 AM
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.net> wrote in message
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"Krib" <krib@address.invalid> wrote in message

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"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.net> wrote in message
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The attack will be multi-pronged.


More pathetic speculation from walter mitty ;0)
--
krib



The Jews

No, the Israelis.

will do a fine job blowing the fucker to pieces. What warms my heart is

morons like you and

tw

At least THIS moron knows the difference between a HEAT round and DU eh
Dimwanker? I can spell "ducati" too..

can't do a thing about it.

Why would I want to?

Haha!

Drinking again?



.




User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android"

Title: Re: Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility? 28 Jul 2004 07:52:38 AM
On 28 Jul 2004 12:11:29 GMT, TonyZ2001 <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote:

High noon in the Gulf
Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility?

Posted: July 28, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

2004 WorldNetDaily.com

With the Sept. 11 commission report pointing fingers of responsibility
at Iran
and Tehran inching closer to the development of a nuclear arms program,
is it
only a matter of time before Israel strikes the country's nuclear
facilities as
it did in Iraq in 1981?

Israeli planners tell Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin a strike at Iran's
nuclear
plant would hardly resemble the attack on Iraq's Ossirak plant 23 years
ago.

For one thing, the element of surprise is all but gone.

Excuse me for my ignorance, but is there a way to take out several
incoming cruise missiles targetted to a single objective?
If not, give Iran the option to comply with U.N. demands or clear the
facility of all personnel since it's destruction will be guaranteed.
.
User: "Tadapope"

Title: Re: Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility? 28 Jul 2004 03:27:01 PM
$42.90 a barrel
;0)
That's pure insanity and greedus maximus.
Tangents are infinite in all of nature in
all 21 universes constantly and at random.
Oh Joy & Lysergically Yours!
Tom
The Psychedelick Pope
Patron Saint of the Internet
Saint Isadore of Laytonville
http://www.apple2.org.za/gswv/me/
.

User: "R. Foreman"

Title: Re: Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility? 29 Jul 2004 10:59:15 AM
"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> Spat the Words

On 28 Jul 2004 12:11:29 GMT, TonyZ2001 <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote:

High noon in the Gulf
Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility?

With the Sept. 11 commission report pointing fingers of responsibility
at Iran
and Tehran inching closer to the development of a nuclear arms program,
is it
only a matter of time before Israel strikes the country's nuclear
facilities as
it did in Iraq in 1981?


Excuse me for my ignorance, but is there a way to take out several
incoming cruise missiles targetted to a single objective?

If not, give Iran the option to comply with U.N. demands or clear the
facility of all personnel since it's destruction will be guaranteed.

There is the Phalanx Gattling Gun which puts a solid wall
of bullets into an incoming missile. I doubt we're selling
too many of those to countries like Iran. I think those facilities
are populated mostly by Russian engineers right now. I'm sure
we'll notify the appropriate officials before the building
complex becomes vaporized.
.
User: "dreamwalker"

Title: Re: Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility? 29 Jul 2004 05:23:31 PM
" I'm sure

we'll notify the appropriate officials before the building
complex becomes vaporized.

Never. Satellite surveillance would document work cycles and allow timing of the attack to lessen
collateral damage. I'd expect an attack at the beginning of Ramadan or another Islamic holiday when
work stoppage occurs. Either way, the nuke plant will be rubble before it goes warm. Thank God for
the Jews. My prayers are with them.
.

User: "tw"

Title: Re: Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility? 30 Jul 2004 02:40:33 AM
"R. Foreman" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns953565998F17rrfkwrantispamattbic@204.127.199.17...

"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> Spat the Words

On 28 Jul 2004 12:11:29 GMT, TonyZ2001 <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote:

High noon in the Gulf
Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility?


With the Sept. 11 commission report pointing fingers of responsibility
at Iran
and Tehran inching closer to the development of a nuclear arms program,
is it
only a matter of time before Israel strikes the country's nuclear
facilities as
it did in Iraq in 1981?


Excuse me for my ignorance, but is there a way to take out several
incoming cruise missiles targetted to a single objective?

If not, give Iran the option to comply with U.N. demands or clear the
facility of all personnel since it's destruction will be guaranteed.


There is the Phalanx Gattling Gun which puts a solid wall
of bullets into an incoming missile.

Well 5000 rpm give or take, and much slower than that in the first second.
Hardly a "solid wall" but certainly effective. Designed mainly for taking
out small, fast anti-ship missiles like Exocet (didsn't save teh USS STark
though...) it woudl have no problem whatsoever with a Tomahawk.

I doubt we're selling too many of those to countries like Iran.

Perhaps not the Phalanx system itself but as regards the Vulcan cannon it is
based on, they had at least 24 stuck to the noses of the F14s the Shah
bought in the 80s, not to mention all those F4Es they bought. I'd be very
surprised if they didn't get the M163 (tracked AA version) which could
easily engage a cruise missile.
THe Russian ZSU23 woudl be completely adequate of course - instantaneous
fire rate is better than Phalanx and it fires a heavier shell.

I think those facilities
are populated mostly by Russian engineers right now. I'm sure
we'll notify the appropriate officials before the building
complex becomes vaporized.

I will happily bet you the US does not vapourise the complex.
.

User: "Krib"

Title: Re: Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility? 30 Jul 2004 06:51:21 AM
"R. Foreman" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns953565998F17rrfkwrantispamattbic@204.127.199.17...

There is the Phalanx Gattling Gun which puts a solid wall
of bullets into an incoming missile. I doubt we're selling
too many of those to countries like Iran.

It's not the only gatling gun out there, there are several
developed by different countries they could probably
get hold of. Given the flight characteristics of a Tomahawk
they wouldn't need that type of firepower anyway.

I think those facilities
are populated mostly by Russian engineers right now. I'm sure
we'll notify the appropriate officials before the building
complex becomes vaporized.

If that happened then they'd lose the element of surprise, if they
kill other nationals they leave themselves open to other problems,
so I doubt the USA would attack this facility directly.
--
krib
.

User: "Arnold Holbrook"

Title: Re: Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility? 02 Aug 2004 11:26:08 AM
"R. Foreman" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message news:<Xns953565998F17rrfkwrantispamattbic@204.127.199.17>...

"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> Spat the Words

On 28 Jul 2004 12:11:29 GMT, TonyZ2001 <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote:

High noon in the Gulf
Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility?


With the Sept. 11 commission report pointing fingers of responsibility
at Iran
and Tehran inching closer to the development of a nuclear arms program,
is it
only a matter of time before Israel strikes the country's nuclear
facilities as
it did in Iraq in 1981?


Excuse me for my ignorance, but is there a way to take out several
incoming cruise missiles targetted to a single objective?

If not, give Iran the option to comply with U.N. demands or clear the
facility of all personnel since it's destruction will be guaranteed.


There is the Phalanx Gattling Gun which puts a solid wall
of bullets into an incoming missile. I doubt we're selling
too many of those to countries like Iran. I think those facilities
are populated mostly by Russian engineers right now. I'm sure
we'll notify the appropriate officials before the building
complex becomes vaporized.

You do realize that any anti WMD punitive strike by US or Israel will
be countered by Iran turning on its operatives and sympathetic terror
/ militia groups to make it hell for our troops in Iraq? And everytime
we do a punitive strike, Iran will make Iraq more chaotic.
We made ourselves very vulnerabe to Iran when we went rushing into
Iraq.
Comment about Russian engineers is interesting. Russians want Bush in
White House, so I do not think they will be stupid enough to sell
Iranians direct WMD technologies, bringing about the ire of Bush, but
they are financially desperate enough to sell technologies with dual
usages and can be upgraded to WMD.
(Tanget: Tell you the truth, I can see a Bush Putin deal if Bush wins.
Putin offers troop support in Iraq if Bush lays off in the Caucasus,
freeing up troops for his short term planned real oil war in
Venezuela)
For that I theorize that the Iranians are probably going to the NK's,
freelancing and greedy Pakistani scientists (even if they are
secretarian rival states), and possibly even freelancing greedy FSU
scientists, without government sanction. Only FSU gov. stupid enough
to sanction direct transfer of WMD know how is Belarus.
Pandora's fire box once only belong to the chief cold war rivals in
the nuclear club, but now it is not contained within these parameters.
You can go anywhere now to get it, just like someone who wants to buy
a gun in Haiti.
.
User: "Uncle Wallys World"

Title: Re: Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility? 02 Aug 2004 10:00:11 PM
(Arnold Holbrook) wrote in message news:<7e4bfa4a.0408020826.247eb34e@posting.google.com>...

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"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> Spat the Words

On 28 Jul 2004 12:11:29 GMT, TonyZ2001 <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote:

High noon in the Gulf
Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility?


With the Sept. 11 commission report pointing fingers of responsibility
at Iran
and Tehran inching closer to the development of a nuclear arms program,
is it
only a matter of time before Israel strikes the country's nuclear
facilities as
it did in Iraq in 1981?


Excuse me for my ignorance, but is there a way to take out several
incoming cruise missiles targetted to a single objective?

If not, give Iran the option to comply with U.N. demands or clear the
facility of all personnel since it's destruction will be guaranteed.


There is the Phalanx Gattling Gun which puts a solid wall
of bullets into an incoming missile. I doubt we're selling
too many of those to countries like Iran. I think those facilities
are populated mostly by Russian engineers right now. I'm sure
we'll notify the appropriate officials before the building
complex becomes vaporized.


You do realize that any anti WMD punitive strike by US or Israel will
be countered by Iran turning on its operatives and sympathetic terror
/ militia groups to make it hell for our troops in Iraq? And everytime
we do a punitive strike, Iran will make Iraq more chaotic.

We made ourselves very vulnerabe to Iran when we went rushing into
Iraq.

Comment about Russian engineers is interesting. Russians want Bush in
White House, so I do not think they will be stupid enough to sell
Iranians direct WMD technologies, bringing about the ire of Bush, but
they are financially desperate enough to sell technologies with dual
usages and can be upgraded to WMD.

(Tanget: Tell you the truth, I can see a Bush Putin deal if Bush wins.
Putin offers troop support in Iraq if Bush lays off in the Caucasus,
freeing up troops for his short term planned real oil war in
Venezuela)

For that I theorize that the Iranians are probably going to the NK's,
freelancing and greedy Pakistani scientists (even if they are
secretarian rival states), and possibly even freelancing greedy FSU
scientists, without government sanction. Only FSU gov. stupid enough
to sanction direct transfer of WMD know how is Belarus.

Pandora's fire box once only belong to the chief cold war rivals in
the nuclear club, but now it is not contained within these parameters.
You can go anywhere now to get it, just like someone who wants to buy
a gun in Haiti.

===========================================================================
I don't think it would be limited to just Iraq......we're literally talking
'Armageddon' here, or apocalypse pretty frickin' soon.......
"Make the most of each & every day as if it were your last"
Hooroo
Uncle Wally
==========================================================================
.



User: "tw"

Title: Re: Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility? 28 Jul 2004 08:30:36 AM
"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> wrote in message
news:opsbul10xcld1pme@pc...

On 28 Jul 2004 12:11:29 GMT, TonyZ2001 <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote:

High noon in the Gulf
Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility?

Posted: July 28, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

2004 WorldNetDaily.com

With the Sept. 11 commission report pointing fingers of responsibility
at Iran
and Tehran inching closer to the development of a nuclear arms program,
is it
only a matter of time before Israel strikes the country's nuclear
facilities as
it did in Iraq in 1981?

Israeli planners tell Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin a strike at Iran's
nuclear
plant would hardly resemble the attack on Iraq's Ossirak plant 23 years
ago.

For one thing, the element of surprise is all but gone.



Excuse me for my ignorance, but is there a way to take out several
incoming cruise missiles targetted to a single objective?

Most certainly. Think of them as small aeroplanes, they don't travel all
that fast or high and aren't especially stealthy. If you get lucky you could
shoot one down with a rifle caliber machine gun. Iran certainly has radar
directed AAA (anti aircraft artillery) and SAMs (Surface- Air Missiles)
capable of engaging them. The trick is to launch enough to saturate their
defenses, which probably wouldn't be too big a deal. However, I don't think
Israel has cruise missiles in the true sense (e.g. Tomahawk) , just shorter
ranged stuff like the Harpoon which can't strike anything more than about 80
miles away. I'm not sure they could get a launcher that close. The paragraph
in the orginal report:
"Information about the Israeli navy's latest submarine acquisitions
includes the assessment that, with the exception of nuclear power, the new
subs
are capable of doing most everything a sophisticated U.S. or Russian sub can
do. In this case the launching point could be in or outside the Gulf region.
" is typical world nut daily *****. They certainly COULD NOT launch from
outside the gulf and hope to hit anything or even get a missile very near
Iran.

If not, give Iran the option to comply with U.N. demands or clear the
facility of all personnel since it's destruction will be guaranteed.

As far as I'm aware, the Iranians ARE complyng with UN demands..haven't
heard anything to the contrary recently..
.
User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald"

Title: Re: Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility? 28 Jul 2004 02:27:37 PM
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:<ce89kq$q2i$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>...

"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> wrote in message
news:opsbul10xcld1pme@pc...

On 28 Jul 2004 12:11:29 GMT, TonyZ2001 <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote:

High noon in the Gulf
Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility?

Posted: July 28, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

2004 WorldNetDaily.com

With the Sept. 11 commission report pointing fingers of responsibility
at Iran
and Tehran inching closer to the development of a nuclear arms program,
is it
only a matter of time before Israel strikes the country's nuclear
facilities as
it did in Iraq in 1981?

Israeli planners tell Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin a strike at Iran's
nuclear
plant would hardly resemble the attack on Iraq's Ossirak plant 23 years
ago.

For one thing, the element of surprise is all but gone.



Excuse me for my ignorance, but is there a way to take out several
incoming cruise missiles targetted to a single objective?


Most certainly. Think of them as small aeroplanes,

'aeroplanes'?
Don't chide me on my spelling when you cannot spell too coward. Now
Jean won the bet you leave.
.
User: "Krib"

Title: Re: Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility? 30 Jul 2004 06:51:20 AM
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message

'aeroplanes'?
Don't chide me on my spelling when you cannot spell too coward.

It's the original spelling and it's correct. Still, given your level
of ignorance and mental retardation it's no surprise you're too
dumb to even check it before gobbing off as usual ;0)

Now Jean won the bet you leave.

What's it to do with you? I doubt Jean needs a vermin like you
to fight his own threads especially when you're always running away
from your own, you're a filthy coward mcdonald, tw argues his point
you just scurry away every time your ignorance and stupidity is
highlighted.
--
krib
.

User: "tw"

Title: Re: Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility? 29 Jul 2004 02:38:12 AM
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dd3256f0.0407281127.77462fc9@posting.google.com...

"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message

news:<ce89kq$q2i$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>...

"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> wrote in message
news:opsbul10xcld1pme@pc...

On 28 Jul 2004 12:11:29 GMT, TonyZ2001 <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote:

High noon in the Gulf
Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility?

Posted: July 28, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

2004 WorldNetDaily.com

With the Sept. 11 commission report pointing fingers of

responsibility

at Iran
and Tehran inching closer to the development of a nuclear arms

program,

is it
only a matter of time before Israel strikes the country's nuclear
facilities as
it did in Iraq in 1981?

Israeli planners tell Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin a strike at Iran's
nuclear
plant would hardly resemble the attack on Iraq's Ossirak plant 23

years

ago.

For one thing, the element of surprise is all but gone.



Excuse me for my ignorance, but is there a way to take out several
incoming cruise missiles targetted to a single objective?


Most certainly. Think of them as small aeroplanes,


'aeroplanes'?
Don't chide me on my spelling when you cannot spell too coward.

LOL! Now THIS is a keeper.

Now Jean won the bet you leave.

How? Where did Woods say that post was anti-semitic?
.

User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android"

Title: Re: Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility? 28 Jul 2004 03:31:51 PM
On 28 Jul 2004 12:27:37 -0700, Michael Johnathan McDonald
<abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote:

"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
news:<ce89kq$q2i$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>...

"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> wrote in message
news:opsbul10xcld1pme@pc...

On 28 Jul 2004 12:11:29 GMT, TonyZ2001 <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote:

High noon in the Gulf
Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility?

Posted: July 28, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

2004 WorldNetDaily.com

With the Sept. 11 commission report pointing fingers of

responsibility

at Iran
and Tehran inching closer to the development of a nuclear arms

program,

is it
only a matter of time before Israel strikes the country's nuclear
facilities as
it did in Iraq in 1981?

Israeli planners tell Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin a strike at Iran's
nuclear
plant would hardly resemble the attack on Iraq's Ossirak plant 23

years

ago.

For one thing, the element of surprise is all but gone.



Excuse me for my ignorance, but is there a way to take out several
incoming cruise missiles targetted to a single objective?


Most certainly. Think of them as small aeroplanes,


'aeroplanes'?
Don't chide me on my spelling when you cannot spell too coward. Now
Jean won the bet you leave.

LOL ...
It's not a spelling error dope ... go check on Websters.com.
.



User: "dreamwalker"

Title: Re: Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility? 29 Jul 2004 05:29:20 PM
"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> wrote in message news:opsbul10xcld1pme@pc...

On 28 Jul 2004 12:11:29 GMT, TonyZ2001 <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote:

High noon in the Gulf
Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility?

Posted: July 28, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

2004 WorldNetDaily.com

With the Sept. 11 commission report pointing fingers of responsibility
at Iran
and Tehran inching closer to the development of a nuclear arms program,
is it
only a matter of time before Israel strikes the country's nuclear
facilities as
it did in Iraq in 1981?

Israeli planners tell Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin a strike at Iran's
nuclear
plant would hardly resemble the attack on Iraq's Ossirak plant 23 years
ago.

For one thing, the element of surprise is all but gone.



Excuse me for my ignorance, but is there a way to take out several
incoming cruise missiles targetted to a single objective?

If not, give Iran the option to comply with U.N. demands or clear the
facility of all personnel since it's destruction will be guaranteed.

That's the most preposterous statement I've heard in a long, long time. Inform the enemy of an
upcoming sneak attack. Un-fucking believable. Iran's nuke plant is an act of war to Israel. Guess
you don't get that part...huh?
.
User: "Krib"

Title: Re: Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility? 30 Jul 2004 06:51:21 AM
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.net> wrote in message
news:84acb$41097a49$407628e2

That's the most preposterous statement I've heard in a long, long time.

Then take a look at what some ignorant moron said about the current Gulf War
" We will not go into Baghdad. This is the difference between Bush and
Alexander the Great." oh wait... that was you wasn't it hunter man ;0)

Iran's nuke plant is an act of war to Israel.

LOL

Guess you don't get that part...huh?

I guess living in ignorance must be fun then as you're so
determined to show your own whenever you post.
--
krib
.

User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android"

Title: Re: Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility? 29 Jul 2004 08:01:17 PM
On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:29:20 -0500, dreamwalker <backfromthe@dead.net>
wrote:


"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> wrote in message
news:opsbul10xcld1pme@pc...

On 28 Jul 2004 12:11:29 GMT, TonyZ2001 <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote:

High noon in the Gulf
Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility?

Posted: July 28, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

2004 WorldNetDaily.com

With the Sept. 11 commission report pointing fingers of responsibility
at Iran
and Tehran inching closer to the development of a nuclear arms

program,

is it
only a matter of time before Israel strikes the country's nuclear
facilities as
it did in Iraq in 1981?

Israeli planners tell Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin a strike at Iran's
nuclear
plant would hardly resemble the attack on Iraq's Ossirak plant 23

years

ago.

For one thing, the element of surprise is all but gone.



Excuse me for my ignorance, but is there a way to take out several
incoming cruise missiles targetted to a single objective?

If not, give Iran the option to comply with U.N. demands or clear the
facility of all personnel since it's destruction will be guaranteed.


That's the most preposterous statement I've heard in a long, long time.
Inform the enemy of an
upcoming sneak attack. Un-fucking believable. Iran's nuke plant is an
act of war to Israel. Guess
you don't get that part...huh?


It's basicly what The Chimp did prior to invading Iraq for non-existent
WMD's ... forgot about the warnings to comply or face invasion?
.
User: "dreamwalker"

Title: Re: Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility? 29 Jul 2004 08:48:34 PM
"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> wrote in message news:opsbxegfc2ld1pme@pc...

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:29:20 -0500, dreamwalker <backfromthe@dead.net>
wrote:


"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> wrote in message
news:opsbul10xcld1pme@pc...

On 28 Jul 2004 12:11:29 GMT, TonyZ2001 <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote:

High noon in the Gulf
Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility?

Posted: July 28, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

2004 WorldNetDaily.com

With the Sept. 11 commission report pointing fingers of responsibility
at Iran
and Tehran inching closer to the development of a nuclear arms

program,

is it
only a matter of time before Israel strikes the country's nuclear
facilities as
it did in Iraq in 1981?

Israeli planners tell Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin a strike at Iran's
nuclear
plant would hardly resemble the attack on Iraq's Ossirak plant 23

years

ago.

For one thing, the element of surprise is all but gone.



Excuse me for my ignorance, but is there a way to take out several
incoming cruise missiles targetted to a single objective?

If not, give Iran the option to comply with U.N. demands or clear the
facility of all personnel since it's destruction will be guaranteed.


That's the most preposterous statement I've heard in a long, long time.
Inform the enemy of an
upcoming sneak attack. Un-fucking believable. Iran's nuke plant is an
act of war to Israel. Guess
you don't get that part...huh?



It's basicly what The Chimp did prior to invading Iraq for non-existent
WMD's ... forgot about the warnings to comply or face invasion?


And that world is what color?
.




User: "dreamwalker"

Title: Re: Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility? 29 Jul 2004 05:46:09 PM
When Saddam took out the Bushehr plant he used both a sea and land route for all three of his air
attacks. He finally did the structure in with his last attack. With Saddam out of the way I guess
the Jews will have to fill the void and blow the stinkin' thing up. That is if the Saudi's don't
beat them to it.
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040728081129.23951.00002749@mb-m28.aol.com...

High noon in the Gulf
Will Israel soon attack Iran's nuclear facility?

Posted: July 28, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

2004 WorldNetDaily.com

With the Sept. 11 commission report pointing fingers of responsibility at Iran
and Tehran inching closer to the development of a nuclear arms program, is it
only a matter of time before Israel strikes the country's nuclear facilities as
it did in Iraq in 1981?

Israeli planners tell Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin a strike at Iran's nuclear
plant would hardly resemble the attack on Iraq's Ossirak plant 23 years ago.

For one thing, the element of surprise is all but gone.

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The Ossirak destruction happened under relatively quiet conditions in the
region and was a classic first-time unpredictable attack. The Iranian setting
is completely different. It is important to understand, and be aware of the
fact Iranian military planners are active in assessing the risk factor for
their nuclear complexes, and they are taking all necessary and possible counter
measures available to them.

From a pure military position the destruction of the Busher complex, say the
sources, does not require an exceptionally sophisticated maneuver. There is no
need for a cloak and dagger operation to discover the sites which are well
observed through a series of satellites. A regular iron bomb could flatten the
dome or destroy other nearby facilities, not to mention the use of smart bombs,
which in theory cannot miss. The risk level would be for the crews burdened
with executing such an air raid.

Israeli experts stress there are less than three years before the site goes
warm. In planning the Ossirak operation the Israeli air force carefully
considered the stage of the nuclear reactor. It was of paramount importance to
destroy a cold reactor, knowing the destruction of a warm one could lead to a
new Chernobyl-like ecological disaster.

Israeli planners are obviously working under the pressure of a timing factor,
probably trying to figure out if and when the Iranian reactor will go warm.
Scientists carefully bear in mind the ripple effect of such a scenario, saying
that although the Busher province is sparsely inhabited, it is close to other
centers on both sides of the Persian Gulf.

If attacked while in operation the danger to civilians and allied forces and
navies, could be significant, including the possibility wrong timing from a
meteorological point of view could cause a huge area to become contaminated
with radioactive fallout.

A review of the regional map, and analyzing the Israeli air force capabilities,
suggests an aerial penetration of the Busher area could come through the air
space of Arab states such as Jordan and Saudi Arabia, and even through Syria
and Iraq. The Israeli air force has successfully proven, on more than one
occasion, it possesses some of the best technology to enable such a move. As a
matter of fact, in a number of instances the Israeli air force demonstrated its
technological-scientific know-how, described by experts as most probably having
an "electronic stealth capability."

Other options, such as a long range flight over the Red Sea and around the
southern tip of the Arabian Peninsula all the way to Busher and back, would
require a high level of cooperation with many air forces operating in the area.
An approach to Busher from the south would be almost impossible due to the
density of military air activity in the region.

A retired Israeli air force general, a veteran of many sophisticated
operations, told G2B: "There is no problem to plan an operation and to destroy
the complex, but the skies of the Middle East are not as open as they were 23
years ago."

The general added that the Gulf area alone has today one of the largest
concentrations of air activity including counter, detection and monitoring
measures. He added that density could on the other hand be an asset, helping to
disguise the movement of a few aircraft, though only with the full cooperation
of friendly air forces will the attackers be able to return home safely.

Military options go far beyond an air raid. Here are a number of alternative
options:


A raid by naval or airborne commandos who would penetrate the Busher facility.
Such a raid requires a highly sophisticated team, a relatively large force to
quell the garrison, to penetrate the central part of the complex while carrying
a relatively heavy load of explosives. However, it would be extremely difficult
to extract a force like this. Such operations are depicted in Hollywood
creations or in the minds of imaginative action writers.

A missile attack: Israel possesses long range ballistic missiles, equipped with
sophisticated guiding systems. These are supported by satellite guidance or
control equipment handled by on-the-ground agents. They can easily attack and
destroy the most important components of the Busher complex or any other
selected target. The down side of this option is the fact the missiles would
have to be launched from Israel. This creates the danger of being detected
early on in the operation and possibly even being intercepted. The U.S. and
Russia are undoubtedly constantly monitoring the regional air space and would
immediately detect a long range missile launch.

Launching cruise or guided missiles from a submarine not too far from the
target. Information about the Israeli navy's latest submarine acquisitions
includes the assessment that, with the exception of nuclear power, the new subs
are capable of doing most everything a sophisticated U.S. or Russian sub can
do. In this case the launching point could be in or outside the Gulf region.

A missile launch from a disguised freighter or camouflaged tanker armed with
surface-to-surface missiles. In such a case the launch can come from anywhere
in the region and evidence could be immediately disposed of by scuttling the
vessel.
Nobody, with the exception of a very small group of Israeli planners, probably
headed by the prime minister himself, is fully familiar with the specifics of
the option to be selected, the timing of its execution or even whether an
attack will indeed come.

One Israeli analyst talking to G2B said: "Such decisions are made in a very
lonely environment with no friends to share the burden."

He also used a western metaphor by comparing Gary Cooper cleaning up a town
with no support coming from those who were affected by a dangerous hoodlum. He
summarized his assessment by saying: "For Israel the decision will come at
'high noon' with no partners and no support other than her own resources and
risk taking."

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