| Topic: |
Science > Prophecies-Of-Nostradamus |
| User: |
"Marvin The Paranoid Android" |
| Date: |
10 Jan 2007 07:38:48 AM |
| Object: |
With Iraq Speech, Bush to Pull Away From His Generals |
This doesn't sound good eh?
Bush has more confidence in his own military judgement then that of his
generals.
With luck, the Dem's will call in the generals and those on the ground
to ask them their opinions on 'The Surge' before making a final
decision. The Chimp can't send more troops to their death without
Congressional approval can he? Or is there a signing statement *****'s
lawyer can come up with to bypass dealing with Congress?
Cheers!
-- Marvie
http://ca.geocities.com/marvie_the_paranoid_android/ :-D
-------------------------------------
With Iraq Speech, Bush to Pull Away From His Generals
By Michael Abramowitz, Robin Wright and Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, January 10, 2007; A01
When President Bush goes before the American people tonight to outline
his new strategy for Iraq, he will be doing something he has avoided
since the invasion of Iraq in March 2003: ordering his top military
brass to take action they initially resisted and advised against.
Bush talks frequently of his disdain for micromanaging the war effort
and for second-guessing his commanders. "It's important to trust the
judgment of the military when they're making military plans," he told
The Washington Post in an interview last month. "I'm a strict adherer
to the command structure."
But over the past two months, as the security situation in Iraq has
deteriorated and U.S. public support for the war has dropped, Bush has
pushed back against his top military advisers and the commanders in
Iraq: He has fashioned a plan to add up to 20,000 troops to the 132,000
U.S. service members already on the ground. As Bush plans it, the
military will soon be "surging" in Iraq two months after an election
that many Democrats interpreted as a mandate to begin withdrawing
troops.
Pentagon insiders say members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff have long
opposed the increase in troops and are only grudgingly going along with
the plan because they have been promised that the military escalation
will be matched by renewed political and economic efforts in Iraq. Gen.
John P. Abizaid, the outgoing head of Central Command, said less than
two months ago that adding U.S. troops was not the answer for Iraq.
More ...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/09/AR2007010901872.html
.
|
|
| User: "Docrodile" |
|
| Title: Re: With Iraq Speech, Bush to Pull Away From His Generals |
10 Jan 2007 11:44:21 AM |
|
|
A second alt.prophecies.nostradamus site!!! LOL!! Jeez...what a pleasant
surprise, Marv! Congratulations on a really nice splash page that's both
funny and informative. I love the Nosty CGI animation -- FUNNY! Makes me
wanna' get going on that long learning curve.
The APN 'ticker news' (RSS?) feed is a great idea and works smoothly. It
really helps promote APN and give it some 'class.'
The weather spot is a sharp idea and relates directly to the hot spots in
the world now (you might wanna consider Mogadishu next).
If you want me to put a link to your site from my splash page and/or from
the cartoon pic of you, just let me know and I'll do it.
I can see you're still working on your photo section...looking forward to
seeing it.
Americans are anxiously waiting for the chimp to make himself more a fool
and an idiot than we know he already is -- that 'surge' will be his Little
Bighorn. The firing of ordnance into Somalia from US gunships shows that
ultraconservative military chowderheads have momentarily taken over the
Bush agenda...in concert with Rove and Cheney...and are further expending
US military strength in a most futile manner. I saw a really sick, creepy
senior Pentagon CNN correspondent with a hard, grim face tell Hardball
Chris this morning (in a roundtable discussion) that the US hasn't lost
and was coming back someday to the Mideast and that those people better
'watch their p's and q's.' Chris and the other panel members sat frozen as
this really mentally ill ***** warned the terrorists in the Mideast that
'when we come back, it's going to be really bad for you' (paraphrased a
bit) and 'you'd better get ready for it.' Chris Matthews said, "you're
scarin' me." I just couldn't believe it. I gotta' find the video of
that...
Docrodile ;)~
"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvinparanoidandroid@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:1168436328.648603.115960@k58g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
This doesn't sound good eh?
Bush has more confidence in his own military judgement then that of his
generals.
With luck, the Dem's will call in the generals and those on the ground
to ask them their opinions on 'The Surge' before making a final
decision. The Chimp can't send more troops to their death without
Congressional approval can he? Or is there a signing statement *****'s
lawyer can come up with to bypass dealing with Congress?
Cheers!
-- Marvie
http://ca.geocities.com/marvie_the_paranoid_android/ :-D
-------------------------------------
With Iraq Speech, Bush to Pull Away From His Generals
By Michael Abramowitz, Robin Wright and Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, January 10, 2007; A01
When President Bush goes before the American people tonight to outline
his new strategy for Iraq, he will be doing something he has avoided
since the invasion of Iraq in March 2003: ordering his top military
brass to take action they initially resisted and advised against.
Bush talks frequently of his disdain for micromanaging the war effort
and for second-guessing his commanders. "It's important to trust the
judgment of the military when they're making military plans," he told
The Washington Post in an interview last month. "I'm a strict adherer
to the command structure."
But over the past two months, as the security situation in Iraq has
deteriorated and U.S. public support for the war has dropped, Bush has
pushed back against his top military advisers and the commanders in
Iraq: He has fashioned a plan to add up to 20,000 troops to the 132,000
U.S. service members already on the ground. As Bush plans it, the
military will soon be "surging" in Iraq two months after an election
that many Democrats interpreted as a mandate to begin withdrawing
troops.
Pentagon insiders say members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff have long
opposed the increase in troops and are only grudgingly going along with
the plan because they have been promised that the military escalation
will be matched by renewed political and economic efforts in Iraq. Gen.
John P. Abizaid, the outgoing head of Central Command, said less than
two months ago that adding U.S. troops was not the answer for Iraq.
More ...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/09/AR2007010901872.html
.
|
|
|
| User: "" |
|
| Title: Re: With Iraq Speech, Bush to Pull Away From His Generals |
10 Jan 2007 10:07:50 PM |
|
|
Doc !!!!
Could U put a link to Marvy baby's website on your website pleaze -- in
a prominent position up top preferably !!!!
Thanx -- & Cheers !
HOOROO
UNCLE WALLY
====0====
Docrodile wrote:
A second alt.prophecies.nostradamus site!!! LOL!! Jeez...what a pleasant
surprise, Marv! Congratulations on a really nice splash page that's both
funny and informative. I love the Nosty CGI animation -- FUNNY! Makes me
wanna' get going on that long learning curve.
The APN 'ticker news' (RSS?) feed is a great idea and works smoothly. It
really helps promote APN and give it some 'class.'
The weather spot is a sharp idea and relates directly to the hot spots in
the world now (you might wanna consider Mogadishu next).
If you want me to put a link to your site from my splash page and/or from
the cartoon pic of you, just let me know and I'll do it.
I can see you're still working on your photo section...looking forward to
seeing it.
Americans are anxiously waiting for the chimp to make himself more a fool
and an idiot than we know he already is -- that 'surge' will be his Little
Bighorn. The firing of ordnance into Somalia from US gunships shows that
ultraconservative military chowderheads have momentarily taken over the
Bush agenda...in concert with Rove and Cheney...and are further expending
US military strength in a most futile manner. I saw a really sick, creepy
senior Pentagon CNN correspondent with a hard, grim face tell Hardball
Chris this morning (in a roundtable discussion) that the US hasn't lost
and was coming back someday to the Mideast and that those people better
'watch their p's and q's.' Chris and the other panel members sat frozen as
this really mentally ill ***** warned the terrorists in the Mideast that
'when we come back, it's going to be really bad for you' (paraphrased a
bit) and 'you'd better get ready for it.' Chris Matthews said, "you're
scarin' me." I just couldn't believe it. I gotta' find the video of
that...
Docrodile ;)~
"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvinparanoidandroid@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:1168436328.648603.115960@k58g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
This doesn't sound good eh?
Bush has more confidence in his own military judgement then that of his
generals.
With luck, the Dem's will call in the generals and those on the ground
to ask them their opinions on 'The Surge' before making a final
decision. The Chimp can't send more troops to their death without
Congressional approval can he? Or is there a signing statement *****'s
lawyer can come up with to bypass dealing with Congress?
Cheers!
-- Marvie
http://ca.geocities.com/marvie_the_paranoid_android/ :-D
-------------------------------------
With Iraq Speech, Bush to Pull Away From His Generals
By Michael Abramowitz, Robin Wright and Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, January 10, 2007; A01
When President Bush goes before the American people tonight to outline
his new strategy for Iraq, he will be doing something he has avoided
since the invasion of Iraq in March 2003: ordering his top military
brass to take action they initially resisted and advised against.
Bush talks frequently of his disdain for micromanaging the war effort
and for second-guessing his commanders. "It's important to trust the
judgment of the military when they're making military plans," he told
The Washington Post in an interview last month. "I'm a strict adherer
to the command structure."
But over the past two months, as the security situation in Iraq has
deteriorated and U.S. public support for the war has dropped, Bush has
pushed back against his top military advisers and the commanders in
Iraq: He has fashioned a plan to add up to 20,000 troops to the 132,000
U.S. service members already on the ground. As Bush plans it, the
military will soon be "surging" in Iraq two months after an election
that many Democrats interpreted as a mandate to begin withdrawing
troops.
Pentagon insiders say members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff have long
opposed the increase in troops and are only grudgingly going along with
the plan because they have been promised that the military escalation
will be matched by renewed political and economic efforts in Iraq. Gen.
John P. Abizaid, the outgoing head of Central Command, said less than
two months ago that adding U.S. troops was not the answer for Iraq.
More ...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/09/AR2007010901872.html
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android" |
|
| Title: Re: With Iraq Speech, Bush to Pull Away From His Generals |
10 Jan 2007 01:22:47 PM |
|
|
Thanks Doc!
I was feeling left out of the fun viewing your site. Your UFO site a
few years ago was a classic too. This is certainly a unique group of
people and luckily most possess a decent sense of humour.
Bush, although too easy to make fun of, is dangerously out of touch
with reality. Bizzarre times ... reminds me of 'Dr. Strangelove'. I'll
be interested to see how things go with the 'Surge Bill' -- whether
Congress can call in professionals for questioning prior to deciding on
it (although it should be canned, it doesn't hurt to show the world
what an out-of-touch, incompetent lunatic Bush is).
Cheers!
-- Marvin
Docrodile wrote:
A second alt.prophecies.nostradamus site!!! LOL!! Jeez...what a pleasant
surprise, Marv! Congratulations on a really nice splash page that's both
funny and informative. I love the Nosty CGI animation -- FUNNY! Makes me
wanna' get going on that long learning curve.
The APN 'ticker news' (RSS?) feed is a great idea and works smoothly. It
really helps promote APN and give it some 'class.'
The weather spot is a sharp idea and relates directly to the hot spots in
the world now (you might wanna consider Mogadishu next).
If you want me to put a link to your site from my splash page and/or from
the cartoon pic of you, just let me know and I'll do it.
I can see you're still working on your photo section...looking forward to
seeing it.
Americans are anxiously waiting for the chimp to make himself more a fool
and an idiot than we know he already is -- that 'surge' will be his Little
Bighorn. The firing of ordnance into Somalia from US gunships shows that
ultraconservative military chowderheads have momentarily taken over the
Bush agenda...in concert with Rove and Cheney...and are further expending
US military strength in a most futile manner. I saw a really sick, creepy
senior Pentagon CNN correspondent with a hard, grim face tell Hardball
Chris this morning (in a roundtable discussion) that the US hasn't lost
and was coming back someday to the Mideast and that those people better
'watch their p's and q's.' Chris and the other panel members sat frozen as
this really mentally ill ***** warned the terrorists in the Mideast that
'when we come back, it's going to be really bad for you' (paraphrased a
bit) and 'you'd better get ready for it.' Chris Matthews said, "you're
scarin' me." I just couldn't believe it. I gotta' find the video of
that...
Docrodile ;)~
"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvinparanoidandroid@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:1168436328.648603.115960@k58g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
This doesn't sound good eh?
Bush has more confidence in his own military judgement then that of his
generals.
With luck, the Dem's will call in the generals and those on the ground
to ask them their opinions on 'The Surge' before making a final
decision. The Chimp can't send more troops to their death without
Congressional approval can he? Or is there a signing statement *****'s
lawyer can come up with to bypass dealing with Congress?
Cheers!
-- Marvie
http://ca.geocities.com/marvie_the_paranoid_android/ :-D
-------------------------------------
With Iraq Speech, Bush to Pull Away From His Generals
By Michael Abramowitz, Robin Wright and Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, January 10, 2007; A01
When President Bush goes before the American people tonight to outline
his new strategy for Iraq, he will be doing something he has avoided
since the invasion of Iraq in March 2003: ordering his top military
brass to take action they initially resisted and advised against.
Bush talks frequently of his disdain for micromanaging the war effort
and for second-guessing his commanders. "It's important to trust the
judgment of the military when they're making military plans," he told
The Washington Post in an interview last month. "I'm a strict adherer
to the command structure."
But over the past two months, as the security situation in Iraq has
deteriorated and U.S. public support for the war has dropped, Bush has
pushed back against his top military advisers and the commanders in
Iraq: He has fashioned a plan to add up to 20,000 troops to the 132,000
U.S. service members already on the ground. As Bush plans it, the
military will soon be "surging" in Iraq two months after an election
that many Democrats interpreted as a mandate to begin withdrawing
troops.
Pentagon insiders say members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff have long
opposed the increase in troops and are only grudgingly going along with
the plan because they have been promised that the military escalation
will be matched by renewed political and economic efforts in Iraq. Gen.
John P. Abizaid, the outgoing head of Central Command, said less than
two months ago that adding U.S. troops was not the answer for Iraq.
More ...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/09/AR2007010901872.html
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Perseid" |
|
| Title: Re: With Iraq Speech, Bush to Pull Away From His Generals |
10 Jan 2007 09:32:35 PM |
|
|
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Marvin The Paranoid Android"
<marvinparanoidandroid@hotmail.com> Spat the Words
This doesn't sound good eh?
Bush has more confidence in his own military judgement then that of his
generals.
With luck, the Dem's will call in the generals and those on the ground
to ask them their opinions on 'The Surge' before making a final
decision.
One of the US commanders (not sure what his rank was) was interviewed
and said he didn't feel more troops was the answer. He thought they
needed to give more responsibility to Iraqis. The problem is not that
US troops are overwhelmed by insurgents... the problem is a weak
Iraqi gov't and no will to stay cohesive. The rule of the 'tribe' is
stronger than the rule of Federalism. Those same Iraqis who we are
trying to install into power are the same individuals who are comitting
sectarian atrocities.
We could decrease our troop strength to 5, or increase it to
500,000 and it wouldn't change the level of violence. This 'surge'
is helping only one person, George Jacob Dingle-Berry Bush, so
he can try to save face before we boot him out of office and
investigate his ***** all the way to jail (starting a war of
agression is an apt charge, you know, the same thing we
accused Japan and Germany of doing in WWII).
The Chimp can't send more troops to their death without
Congressional approval can he? Or is there a signing statement *****'s
lawyer can come up with to bypass dealing with Congress?
Cheers!
-- Marvie
http://ca.geocities.com/marvie_the_paranoid_android/ :-D
-------------------------------------
With Iraq Speech, Bush to Pull Away From His Generals
By Michael Abramowitz, Robin Wright and Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, January 10, 2007; A01
When President Bush goes before the American people tonight to outline
his new strategy for Iraq, he will be doing something he has avoided
since the invasion of Iraq in March 2003: ordering his top military
brass to take action they initially resisted and advised against.
Bush talks frequently of his disdain for micromanaging the war effort
and for second-guessing his commanders. "It's important to trust the
judgment of the military when they're making military plans," he told
The Washington Post in an interview last month. "I'm a strict adherer
to the command structure."
But over the past two months, as the security situation in Iraq has
deteriorated and U.S. public support for the war has dropped, Bush has
pushed back against his top military advisers and the commanders in
Iraq: He has fashioned a plan to add up to 20,000 troops to the 132,000
U.S. service members already on the ground. As Bush plans it, the
military will soon be "surging" in Iraq two months after an election
that many Democrats interpreted as a mandate to begin withdrawing
troops.
Pentagon insiders say members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff have long
opposed the increase in troops and are only grudgingly going along with
the plan because they have been promised that the military escalation
will be matched by renewed political and economic efforts in Iraq. Gen.
John P. Abizaid, the outgoing head of Central Command, said less than
two months ago that adding U.S. troops was not the answer for Iraq.
More ...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2007/01/09/AR2007010
901872.html
.
|
|
|
| User: "=?utf-8?B?LsK3OirCqMKoKjrCty7CtzoqwqjCqCo6wrcuICDimaUgV29ybGQgV2FyIElJSSAyMDA3LCBUaGUgTGFzdCAyMDAwIERheXMuLi5IT09ST08gISAgLsK3OirCqMKoKjrCty4g4pmlwqnCruKEog==?=" |
|
| Title: Re: With Iraq Speech, Bush to Pull Away From His Generals |
10 Jan 2007 09:36:37 PM |
|
|
Richard Clarke says Mr Bush is like a desperate gambler, with young
American soldiers serving as his casino chips.
HOOROO .=C2=B7:*=C2=A8=C2=A8*:=C2=B7.=C2=B7:*=C2=A8=C2=A8*:=C2=B7. =E2=99=
=A5
UNCLE WALLY .=C2=B7:*=C2=A8=C2=A8*:=C2=B7.=C2=B7:*=C2=A8=C2=A8*:=C2=B7. =
=E2=99=A5
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Marvin The Paranoid Android"
<marvinparanoidandroid@hotmail.com> Spat the Words
This doesn't sound good eh?
Bush has more confidence in his own military judgement then that of his
generals.
With luck, the Dem's will call in the generals and those on the ground
to ask them their opinions on 'The Surge' before making a final
decision.
One of the US commanders (not sure what his rank was) was interviewed
and said he didn't feel more troops was the answer. He thought they
needed to give more responsibility to Iraqis. The problem is not that
US troops are overwhelmed by insurgents... the problem is a weak
Iraqi gov't and no will to stay cohesive. The rule of the 'tribe' is
stronger than the rule of Federalism. Those same Iraqis who we are
trying to install into power are the same individuals who are comitting
sectarian atrocities.
We could decrease our troop strength to 5, or increase it to
500,000 and it wouldn't change the level of violence. This 'surge'
is helping only one person, George Jacob Dingle-Berry Bush, so
he can try to save face before we boot him out of office and
investigate his ***** all the way to jail (starting a war of
agression is an apt charge, you know, the same thing we
accused Japan and Germany of doing in WWII).
The Chimp can't send more troops to their death without
Congressional approval can he? Or is there a signing statement *****'s
lawyer can come up with to bypass dealing with Congress?
Cheers!
-- Marvie
http://ca.geocities.com/marvie_the_paranoid_android/ :-D
-------------------------------------
With Iraq Speech, Bush to Pull Away From His Generals
By Michael Abramowitz, Robin Wright and Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, January 10, 2007; A01
When President Bush goes before the American people tonight to outline
his new strategy for Iraq, he will be doing something he has avoided
since the invasion of Iraq in March 2003: ordering his top military
brass to take action they initially resisted and advised against.
Bush talks frequently of his disdain for micromanaging the war effort
and for second-guessing his commanders. "It's important to trust the
judgment of the military when they're making military plans," he told
The Washington Post in an interview last month. "I'm a strict adherer
to the command structure."
But over the past two months, as the security situation in Iraq has
deteriorated and U.S. public support for the war has dropped, Bush has
pushed back against his top military advisers and the commanders in
Iraq: He has fashioned a plan to add up to 20,000 troops to the 132,000
U.S. service members already on the ground. As Bush plans it, the
military will soon be "surging" in Iraq two months after an election
that many Democrats interpreted as a mandate to begin withdrawing
troops.
Pentagon insiders say members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff have long
opposed the increase in troops and are only grudgingly going along with
the plan because they have been promised that the military escalation
will be matched by renewed political and economic efforts in Iraq. Gen.
John P. Abizaid, the outgoing head of Central Command, said less than
two months ago that adding U.S. troops was not the answer for Iraq.
More ...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2007/01/09/AR2007010
901872.html=20
.
|
|
|
| User: "Perseid" |
|
| Title: Re: With Iraq Speech, Bush to Pull Away From His Generals |
10 Jan 2007 09:51:41 PM |
|
|
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "=?utf-8?B?
LsK3OirCqMKoKjrCty7CtzoqwqjCqCo6wrcuICDimaUgV29ybGQgV2FyIElJSSAyMDA3LCBUaGUgT
GFzdCAyMDAwIERheXMuLi5IT09ST08gISAgLsK3OirCqMKoKjrCty4g4pmlwqnCruKEog==?="
<stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> Spat the Words
Richard Clarke says Mr Bush is like a desperate gambler, with young
American soldiers serving as his casino chips.
Exactly. He's like a failed businessman who keeps pouring money
into a bad investment, a money-losing venture.
First rule of psychology, when something isn't working you try
something else. Another way of saying it, you can't continue
doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result.
The really sad, really scarey thing is that Bush doesn't get
this. He does not understand these concepts when he personally
has nothing at stake. He would continue pouring men and material
into this losing venture as long as he doesn't personally have
to lift a finger to contribute to the effort, or to make any
personal sacrifices.
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "=?utf-8?B?LsK3OirCqMKoKjrCty7CtzoqwqjCqCo6wrcuICDimaUgV29ybGQgV2FyIElJSSAyMDA3LCBUaGUgTGFzdCAyMDAwIERheXMuLi5IT09ST08gISAgLsK3OirCqMKoKjrCty4g4pmlwqnCruKEog==?=" |
|
| Title: Re: With Iraq Speech, Bush to Pull Away From His Generals |
10 Jan 2007 09:45:53 PM |
|
|
Richard Clarke sums up Dumbo pretty well, don't U agree, Randolph
?!?!??
HOOROO
UNCLE WALLY
====0====
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2007/s1824536.htm
Democrats in Iraq showdown with Bush
AM - Wednesday, 10 January , 2007 08:00:00
Reporter: Michael Rowland
PETER CAVE: In the United States, the newly empowered Democrats are
raising the stakes even further in their opposition to the President's
plan to send more American troops to Iraq.
Even before Mr Bush makes his widely anticipated announcement, senior
Democrats are moving to give Congress a direct say in any changes to US
strategy in Iraq.
And the Democrats are also moving to dramatically step up congressional
oversight of how the war is being fought.
Michael Rowland reports from Washington.
MICHAEL ROWLAND: It's not only the President's speechwriters who've
been busy over the last few days.
Constitutional lawyers have also been burning the midnight oil in
preparation for what's shaping up as a bitter showdown between the
White House and Congress over the President's new Iraq plan.
Mr Bush has been telling lawmakers he wants to send thousands more
American soldiers to Iraq. The final number won't be known until the
President fronts the cameras tomorrow night.
Senior Democrats have already warned Mr Bush they may withhold funding
for any troop increase.
Today one of the party's most prominent figures went one step further.
Veteran Senator Edward Kennedy is proposing legislation that requires
Mr Bush to seek approval for his new plan from the Democrat-controlled
Congress.
EDWARD KENNEDY: We have that authority. We have not used it in the Iraq
war, but we have used it at other times. We used it in the Lebanon
conflict. We even used it during the Vietnam situation.
MICHAEL ROWLAND: Senator Kennedy's proposal will force nervous
Republicans to go on the record on a strategy on which many are
harbouring deep reservations.
EDWARD KENNEDY: Those that want to support the President will have the
opportunity to vote in the United States Congress and Senate, to go
ahead and send those troops over there. Those that do not will have an
opportunity to vote no. That is the power of the purse. That's Article
One of the Constitution. We have that power. We have done that
historically.
MICHAEL ROWLAND: The White House insists the President, as commander in
chief, does not need congressional approval for changes to his war
plan.
The President's spokesman, Tony Snow, has tried to turn the political
heat back on the Democrats.
TONY SNOW: So the Democrats are going to have to make a choice here,
and they're going to have to decide where they stand in terms of two
issues: number one, do you want Iraq to succeed, and if so what does
that mean? And number two: do you believe in supporting the troops, as
you say, and how do you express that support?
MICHAEL ROWLAND: The Democrats do intend expressing themselves through
the powerful congressional committees they now control.
The day after the President's speech, Defence Secretary Robert Gates
and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will be forced to defend any
troop increase in hastily convened congressional hearings.
Away from Capitol Hill, the President's also copping flak from his
former counter-terrorism chief.
Richard Clarke says Mr Bush is like a desperate gambler, with young
American soldiers serving as his casino chips.
RICHARD CLARKE: In order to save face, he is not only borrowing money,
our grandchildren's money, by running up the debt, but he's also
gambling with the lives of Americans, he's gambling with the lives of
Iraqis, and he's gambling with US national security.
MICHAEL ROWLAND: This new Iraq plan is the last throw of the dice for
Mr Bush, and the stakes have never been higher.
In Washington, this is Michael Rowland reporting for AM.
=========================================
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Marvin The Paranoid Android"
<marvinparanoidandroid@hotmail.com> Spat the Words
This doesn't sound good eh?
Bush has more confidence in his own military judgement then that of his
generals.
With luck, the Dem's will call in the generals and those on the ground
to ask them their opinions on 'The Surge' before making a final
decision.
One of the US commanders (not sure what his rank was) was interviewed
and said he didn't feel more troops was the answer. He thought they
needed to give more responsibility to Iraqis. The problem is not that
US troops are overwhelmed by insurgents... the problem is a weak
Iraqi gov't and no will to stay cohesive. The rule of the 'tribe' is
stronger than the rule of Federalism. Those same Iraqis who we are
trying to install into power are the same individuals who are comitting
sectarian atrocities.
We could decrease our troop strength to 5, or increase it to
500,000 and it wouldn't change the level of violence. This 'surge'
is helping only one person, George Jacob Dingle-Berry Bush, so
he can try to save face before we boot him out of office and
investigate his ***** all the way to jail (starting a war of
agression is an apt charge, you know, the same thing we
accused Japan and Germany of doing in WWII).
The Chimp can't send more troops to their death without
Congressional approval can he? Or is there a signing statement *****'s
lawyer can come up with to bypass dealing with Congress?
Cheers!
-- Marvie
http://ca.geocities.com/marvie_the_paranoid_android/ :-D
-------------------------------------
With Iraq Speech, Bush to Pull Away From His Generals
By Michael Abramowitz, Robin Wright and Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, January 10, 2007; A01
When President Bush goes before the American people tonight to outline
his new strategy for Iraq, he will be doing something he has avoided
since the invasion of Iraq in March 2003: ordering his top military
brass to take action they initially resisted and advised against.
Bush talks frequently of his disdain for micromanaging the war effort
and for second-guessing his commanders. "It's important to trust the
judgment of the military when they're making military plans," he told
The Washington Post in an interview last month. "I'm a strict adherer
to the command structure."
But over the past two months, as the security situation in Iraq has
deteriorated and U.S. public support for the war has dropped, Bush has
pushed back against his top military advisers and the commanders in
Iraq: He has fashioned a plan to add up to 20,000 troops to the 132,000
U.S. service members already on the ground. As Bush plans it, the
military will soon be "surging" in Iraq two months after an election
that many Democrats interpreted as a mandate to begin withdrawing
troops.
Pentagon insiders say members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff have long
opposed the increase in troops and are only grudgingly going along with
the plan because they have been promised that the military escalation
will be matched by renewed political and economic efforts in Iraq. Gen.
John P. Abizaid, the outgoing head of Central Command, said less than
two months ago that adding U.S. troops was not the answer for Iraq.
More ...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2007/01/09/AR2007010
901872.html
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "eric" |
|
| Title: Re: With Iraq Speech, Bush to Pull Away From His Generals |
10 Jan 2007 08:44:43 AM |
|
|
Bush knows, as does Cheney certainly that the War in Iraq has failed.
Senator Biden is right. Bush wants to hand over to the next president
- probably a Democrat - to be the one who flies the last Helicopter
from the embassy in disgrace. That way, they can blame the weak
Democrats for losing the war. But if a Republican is elected in '08,
they can always blame it on Clinton.
Bush is a coward, and a criminal of the highest order. So how many
more have to die, to protect his cowardly chicken hiney?
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
This doesn't sound good eh?
Bush has more confidence in his own military judgement then that of his
generals.
With luck, the Dem's will call in the generals and those on the ground
to ask them their opinions on 'The Surge' before making a final
decision. The Chimp can't send more troops to their death without
Congressional approval can he? Or is there a signing statement *****'s
lawyer can come up with to bypass dealing with Congress?
Cheers!
-- Marvie
http://ca.geocities.com/marvie_the_paranoid_android/ :-D
-------------------------------------
With Iraq Speech, Bush to Pull Away From His Generals
By Michael Abramowitz, Robin Wright and Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, January 10, 2007; A01
When President Bush goes before the American people tonight to outline
his new strategy for Iraq, he will be doing something he has avoided
since the invasion of Iraq in March 2003: ordering his top military
brass to take action they initially resisted and advised against.
Bush talks frequently of his disdain for micromanaging the war effort
and for second-guessing his commanders. "It's important to trust the
judgment of the military when they're making military plans," he told
The Washington Post in an interview last month. "I'm a strict adherer
to the command structure."
But over the past two months, as the security situation in Iraq has
deteriorated and U.S. public support for the war has dropped, Bush has
pushed back against his top military advisers and the commanders in
Iraq: He has fashioned a plan to add up to 20,000 troops to the 132,000
U.S. service members already on the ground. As Bush plans it, the
military will soon be "surging" in Iraq two months after an election
that many Democrats interpreted as a mandate to begin withdrawing
troops.
Pentagon insiders say members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff have long
opposed the increase in troops and are only grudgingly going along with
the plan because they have been promised that the military escalation
will be matched by renewed political and economic efforts in Iraq. Gen.
John P. Abizaid, the outgoing head of Central Command, said less than
two months ago that adding U.S. troops was not the answer for Iraq.
More ...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/09/AR2007010901872.html
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Charly the Bastard" |
|
| Title: Re: With Iraq Speech, Bush to Pull Away From His Generals |
11 Jan 2007 05:37:49 AM |
|
|
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
This doesn't sound good eh?
Bush has more confidence in his own military judgement then that of his
generals.
With luck, the Dem's will call in the generals and those on the ground
to ask them their opinions on 'The Surge' before making a final
decision. The Chimp can't send more troops to their death without
Congressional approval can he? Or is there a signing statement *****'s
lawyer can come up with to bypass dealing with Congress?
Cheers!
-- Marvie
Congrease has two options here; cut off the money, impeach the chimp. As CiC, Shrub can
order deployment of the entire armed forces if he feels like it. The toops can comply,
or mutiny. Those are the only real options. We're going into Sadr City; that's going to
be a real bloodbath. I hate being right...
Charly
.
|
|
|
| User: "John Lemke" |
|
| Title: Re: With Iraq Speech, Bush to Pull Away From His Generals |
11 Jan 2007 09:58:40 AM |
|
|
"Charly the *****" <nitecrawler7@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:45A62137.4518F619@worldnet.att.net...
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
This doesn't sound good eh?
Bush has more confidence in his own military judgement then that of his
generals.
With luck, the Dem's will call in the generals and those on the ground
to ask them their opinions on 'The Surge' before making a final
decision. The Chimp can't send more troops to their death without
Congressional approval can he? Or is there a signing statement *****'s
lawyer can come up with to bypass dealing with Congress?
Cheers!
-- Marvie
Congrease has two options here; cut off the money, impeach the chimp. As
CiC, Shrub can
order deployment of the entire armed forces if he feels like it. The toops
can comply,
or mutiny. Those are the only real options. We're going into Sadr City;
that's going to
be a real bloodbath. I hate being right...
Charly
Bush, as commander in chief, can deploy the troops regardless of what
Congress says. Once in Iraq Congress would face the unenviable option of
defunding troops engaged in combat. They won't do it.
Congress didn't defund our military policy in Viet Nam until the war had
been turned over to the Vietnamese.
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Perseid" |
|
| Title: Re: With Iraq Speech, Bush to Pull Away From His Generals |
11 Jan 2007 07:37:40 AM |
|
|
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, Charly the *****
<nitecrawler7@worldnet.att.net> Spat the Words
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
This doesn't sound good eh?
Bush has more confidence in his own military judgement then that of his
generals.
With luck, the Dem's will call in the generals and those on the ground
to ask them their opinions on 'The Surge' before making a final
decision. The Chimp can't send more troops to their death without
Congressional approval can he? Or is there a signing statement *****'s
lawyer can come up with to bypass dealing with Congress?
Cheers!
-- Marvie
Congrease has two options here; cut off the money, impeach the chimp.
As CiC, Shrub can order deployment of the entire armed forces if he
feels like it. The toops can comply, or mutiny. Those are the only real
options. We're going into Sadr City; that's going to be a real
bloodbath. I hate being right...
Impeach the chimp. That sounds better every time I hear it.
The Bush monkey is going to get us all killed, just because
he's a stupid Bush monkey and being stupid and doing stupid
things is what he is all about.
Read this article.
What Bush didn't say in his speech
http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/169988
Every single one of Iraq's neighbors is poised to start
pouring support into Iraq for their particular ethnic
group, and the only thing US troops can do is avoid
the sectarian cross-fire. I tell you, this thing is
going to get out of hand, guaranteed. We're talking a
regional eruption of warfare... and Bush did this all
by himself (with a little help from Rummy and Cheney).
Charly
.
|
|
|
| User: "Charly the Bastard" |
|
| Title: Re: With Iraq Speech, Bush to Pull Away From His Generals |
11 Jan 2007 12:35:46 PM |
|
|
Perseid wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, Charly the *****
<nitecrawler7@worldnet.att.net> Spat the Words
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
This doesn't sound good eh?
Bush has more confidence in his own military judgement then that of his
generals.
With luck, the Dem's will call in the generals and those on the ground
to ask them their opinions on 'The Surge' before making a final
decision. The Chimp can't send more troops to their death without
Congressional approval can he? Or is there a signing statement *****'s
lawyer can come up with to bypass dealing with Congress?
Cheers!
-- Marvie
Congrease has two options here; cut off the money, impeach the chimp.
As CiC, Shrub can order deployment of the entire armed forces if he
feels like it. The toops can comply, or mutiny. Those are the only real
options. We're going into Sadr City; that's going to be a real
bloodbath. I hate being right...
Impeach the chimp. That sounds better every time I hear it.
The Bush monkey is going to get us all killed, just because
he's a stupid Bush monkey and being stupid and doing stupid
things is what he is all about.
Read this article.
What Bush didn't say in his speech
http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/169988
Every single one of Iraq's neighbors is poised to start
pouring support into Iraq for their particular ethnic
group, and the only thing US troops can do is avoid
the sectarian cross-fire. I tell you, this thing is
going to get out of hand, guaranteed. We're talking a
regional eruption of warfare... and Bush did this all
by himself (with a little help from Rummy and Cheney).
Charly
That just about covers it, all right. As if this wasn't bad enough, the stock
market is at record highs as I type. shows you exactly where the mind of
Amerika is, doesn't it? War escalates, market soars, casualties pile up,
Antichrist dances in the Oval Orfice; film at eleven.
Charly
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Woodswun" |
|
| Title: Re: With Iraq Speech, Bush to Pull Away From His Generals |
10 Jan 2007 03:41:52 PM |
|
|
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 05:38:48 -0800, Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
This doesn't sound good eh?
Bush has more confidence in his own military judgement then that of his
generals.
Is this a change? I thought that he'd had several generals that
disagreed with him until strongarmed to walk in lock-step with Bush (or
left).
Woods
.
|
|
|
|

|
Related Articles |
|
|