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'Unusual Weapons' Used in Fallujah
Dahr Jamail
BAGHDAD, Nov 26 (IPS) - The U.S. military has used poison gas and other
non-conventional weapons against civilians in Fallujah, eyewitnesses report.
"Poisonous gases have been used in Fallujah," 35-year-old trader from
Fallujah Abu Hammad told IPS. "They used everything -- tanks, artillery,
infantry, poison gas. Fallujah has been bombed to the ground."
Hammad is from the Julan district of Fallujah where some of the heaviest
fighting occurred. Other residents of that area report the use of illegal
weapons.
"They used these weird bombs that put up smoke like a mushroom cloud," Abu
Sabah, another Fallujah refugee from the Julan area told IPS. "Then small
pieces fall from the air with long tails of smoke behind them."
He said pieces of these bombs exploded into large fires that burnt the skin
even when water was thrown on the burns. Phosphorous weapons as well as
napalm are known to cause such effects. "People suffered so much from these,"
he said.
Macabre accounts of killing of civilians are emerging through the cordon U.S.
forces are still maintaining around Fallujah.
"Doctors in Fallujah are reporting to me that there are patients in the
hospital there who were forced out by the Americans," said Mehdi Abdulla, a
33-year-old ambulance driver at a hospital in Baghdad. "Some doctors there
told me they had a major operation going, but the soldiers took the doctors
away and left the patient to die."
Kassem Mohammed Ahmed who escaped from Fallujah a little over a week ago told
IPS he witnessed many atrocities committed by U.S. soldiers in the city.
"I watched them roll over wounded people in the street with tanks," he
said. "This happened so many times."
Abdul Razaq Ismail who escaped from Fallujah two weeks back said soldiers had
used tanks to pull bodies to the soccer stadium to be buried. "I saw dead
bodies on the ground and nobody could bury them because of the American
snipers," he said. "The Americans were dropping some of the bodies into the
Euphrates near Fallujah."
Abu Hammad said he saw people attempt to swim across the Euphrates to escape
the siege. "The Americans shot them with rifles from the shore," he said. "Even
if some of them were holding a white flag or white clothes over their heads
to show they are not fighters, they were all shot.."
Hammad said he had seen elderly women carrying white flags shot by U.S.
soldiers. "Even the wounded people were killed. The Americans made
announcements for people to come to one mosque if they wanted to leave
Fallujah, and even the people who went there carrying white flags were
killed."
Another Fallujah resident Khalil (40) told IPS he saw civilians shot as they
held up makeshift white flags. "They shot women and old men in the streets,"
he said. "Then they shot anyone who tried to get their bodies...Fallujah is
suffering too much, it is almost gone now."
Refugees had moved to another kind of misery now, he said. "It's a disaster
living here at this camp," Khalil said. "We are living like dogs and the kids
do not have enough clothes."
Spokesman for the Iraqi Red Crescent in Baghdad Abdel Hamid Salim told IPS
that none of their relief teams had been allowed into Fallujah, and that the
military had said it would be at least two more weeks before any refugees
would be allowed back into the city.
"There is still heavy fighting in Fallujah," said Salim. "And the Americans
won't let us in so we can help people."
In many camps around Fallujah and throughout Baghdad, refugees are living
without enough food, clothing and shelter. Relief groups estimate there are
at least 15,000 refugee families in temporary shelters outside Fallujah.
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'Unusual Weapons' Used in Fallujah
Dahr Jamail
BAGHDAD, Nov 26 (IPS) - The U.S. military has used poison gas and other
non-conventional weapons against civilians in Fallujah, eyewitnesses
report.
"Poisonous gases have been used in Fallujah," 35-year-old trader from
Fallujah Abu Hammad told IPS. "They used everything -- tanks, artillery,
infantry, poison gas. Fallujah has been bombed to the ground."
Now you're becoming the kook of the newsgroup, stat. Do you have
any references other than an arab propaganda website? The US
Military doesn't use gas... it doesn't have to... gas is often
used in desperation... the US Military is hardly desperate
(undermanned for the current task, yes, but not desperate).
Hammad is from the Julan district of Fallujah where some of the heaviest
fighting occurred. Other residents of that area report the use of
illegal weapons.
"They used these weird bombs that put up smoke like a mushroom cloud,"
Abu Sabah, another Fallujah refugee from the Julan area told IPS. "Then
small pieces fall from the air with long tails of smoke behind them."
He said pieces of these bombs exploded into large fires that burnt the
skin even when water was thrown on the burns. Phosphorous weapons as
well as napalm are known to cause such effects. "People suffered so much
from these," he said.
Macabre accounts of killing of civilians are emerging through the cordon
U.S. forces are still maintaining around Fallujah.
"Doctors in Fallujah are reporting to me that there are patients in the
hospital there who were forced out by the Americans," said Mehdi
Abdulla, a 33-year-old ambulance driver at a hospital in Baghdad. "Some
doctors there told me they had a major operation going, but the soldiers
took the doctors away and left the patient to die."
Kassem Mohammed Ahmed who escaped from Fallujah a little over a week ago
told IPS he witnessed many atrocities committed by U.S. soldiers in the
city.
"I watched them roll over wounded people in the street with tanks," he
said. "This happened so many times."
Abdul Razaq Ismail who escaped from Fallujah two weeks back said
soldiers had used tanks to pull bodies to the soccer stadium to be
buried. "I saw dead bodies on the ground and nobody could bury them
because of the American snipers," he said. "The Americans were dropping
some of the bodies into the Euphrates near Fallujah."
Abu Hammad said he saw people attempt to swim across the Euphrates to
escape the siege. "The Americans shot them with rifles from the shore,"
he said. "Even if some of them were holding a white flag or white
clothes over their heads to show they are not fighters, they were all
shot.."
Hammad said he had seen elderly women carrying white flags shot by U.S.
soldiers. "Even the wounded people were killed. The Americans made
announcements for people to come to one mosque if they wanted to leave
Fallujah, and even the people who went there carrying white flags were
killed."
Another Fallujah resident Khalil (40) told IPS he saw civilians shot as
they held up makeshift white flags. "They shot women and old men in the
streets," he said. "Then they shot anyone who tried to get their
bodies...Fallujah is suffering too much, it is almost gone now."
Refugees had moved to another kind of misery now, he said. "It's a
disaster living here at this camp," Khalil said. "We are living like
dogs and the kids do not have enough clothes."
Spokesman for the Iraqi Red Crescent in Baghdad Abdel Hamid Salim told
IPS that none of their relief teams had been allowed into Fallujah, and
that the military had said it would be at least two more weeks before
any refugees would be allowed back into the city.
"There is still heavy fighting in Fallujah," said Salim. "And the
Americans won't let us in so we can help people."
In many camps around Fallujah and throughout Baghdad, refugees are
living without enough food, clothing and shelter. Relief groups estimate
there are at least 15,000 refugee families in temporary shelters outside
Fallujah.
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28 Nov 2004 11:45:51 PM |
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"R. Foreman" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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No surprisingly, US has started using non conventional weapons in Iraq.
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'Unusual Weapons' Used in Fallujah
Dahr Jamail
BAGHDAD, Nov 26 (IPS) - The U.S. military has used poison gas and other
non-conventional weapons against civilians in Fallujah, eyewitnesses
report.
"Poisonous gases have been used in Fallujah," 35-year-old trader from
Fallujah Abu Hammad told IPS. "They used everything -- tanks, artillery,
infantry, poison gas. Fallujah has been bombed to the ground."
Now you're becoming the kook of the newsgroup, stat. Do you have
any references other than an arab propaganda website? The US
Military doesn't use gas... it doesn't have to... gas is often
used in desperation... the US Military is hardly desperate
(undermanned for the current task, yes, but not desperate).
America used Napalm, and chemical weapons such as agent orange in Vietnam.
This is not unusual for the U.S. The hypocrisy is so mind-numbing to the
rest of the world, that it is no wonder America has so few allies left.
America, with it's 1000 lb bombs, and overwhelming military superiority is
the ultimate in WMDs, and has already murdered at least a hundred thousand
Iraqis. America is desperate, because it knows that no matter how many
people they kill, and main, that they have already lost the war.
Americans are cowards.
eric.
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28 Nov 2004 11:57:47 PM |
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"R. Foreman" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns95AFE221BEA3Crrfkwrantispamattbic@216.148.227.77...
"MonsieurStat" <Monsieustat@yahoo.com> Spat the Words
No surprisingly, US has started using non conventional weapons in
Iraq.
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'Unusual Weapons' Used in Fallujah
Dahr Jamail
BAGHDAD, Nov 26 (IPS) - The U.S. military has used poison gas and
other
non-conventional weapons against civilians in Fallujah, eyewitnesses
report.
"Poisonous gases have been used in Fallujah," 35-year-old trader from
Fallujah Abu Hammad told IPS. "They used everything -- tanks,
artillery,
infantry, poison gas. Fallujah has been bombed to the ground."
Now you're becoming the kook of the newsgroup, stat. Do you have
any references other than an arab propaganda website? The US
Military doesn't use gas... it doesn't have to... gas is often
used in desperation... the US Military is hardly desperate
(undermanned for the current task, yes, but not desperate).
America used Napalm, and chemical weapons such as agent orange in
Vietnam.
Napalm is not a gas. Agent Orange is a herbicide that was
used to kill plants along the side of the vietnamese rivers.
Got any other weak arguments?
This is not unusual for the U.S. The hypocrisy is so mind-numbing to the
rest of the world, that it is no wonder America has so few allies left.
America, with it's 1000 lb bombs, and overwhelming military superiority
is
the ultimate in WMDs, and has already murdered at least a hundred
thousand
Iraqis. America is desperate, because it knows that no matter how many
people they kill, and main, that they have already lost the war.
Americans are cowards.
eric.
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: WMD in Iraq |
29 Nov 2004 03:59:08 AM |
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"eric davis" <ericdaivs500@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kISdnZnkr4AVKjfcRVn-pA@rogers.com...
"R. Foreman" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns95AFE221BEA3Crrfkwrantispamattbic@216.148.227.77...
"MonsieurStat" <Monsieustat@yahoo.com> Spat the Words
No surprisingly, US has started using non conventional weapons in
Iraq.
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'Unusual Weapons' Used in Fallujah
Dahr Jamail
BAGHDAD, Nov 26 (IPS) - The U.S. military has used poison gas and
other
non-conventional weapons against civilians in Fallujah, eyewitnesses
report.
"Poisonous gases have been used in Fallujah," 35-year-old trader from
Fallujah Abu Hammad told IPS. "They used everything -- tanks,
artillery,
infantry, poison gas. Fallujah has been bombed to the ground."
Now you're becoming the kook of the newsgroup, stat. Do you have
any references other than an arab propaganda website? The US
Military doesn't use gas... it doesn't have to... gas is often
used in desperation... the US Military is hardly desperate
(undermanned for the current task, yes, but not desperate).
America used Napalm, and chemical weapons such as agent orange in Vietnam.
There is a BIG difference between using agent orange as a defoliant and
deliberate gas attacks Eric, I'm sure you realise that. Can't really see
what the fuss is re: napalm - as if it's more pleasant to get maimed by bomb
shrapnel than to be suffocated or burnt by napalm?! *shrug*
This is not unusual for the U.S. The hypocrisy is so mind-numbing to the
rest of the world, that it is no wonder America has so few allies left.
America, with it's 1000 lb bombs, and overwhelming military superiority is
the ultimate in WMDs
God, I long for the days when WMD actually MEANT WMD...
and has already murdered at least a hundred thousand
Iraqis. America is desperate, because it knows that no matter how many
people they kill, and main, that they have already lost the war.
Well, it depends what yo mean by " the war" - I don't think the US will ever
be able to occupy the country, but I'm not particularly sure that's what
they're trying to do.
Americans are cowards.
I find it hard to believe that one nation is inherently more cowardly than
another, really. Everyone finds reserves of strangth and bravery they never
knew they had when the chips are down, and I don't expect US forces to be
any different.
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| Title: Re: WMD in Iraq |
28 Nov 2004 11:52:43 PM |
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"R. Foreman" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns95AFE221BEA3Crrfkwrantispamattbic@216.148.227.77...
"MonsieurStat" <Monsieustat@yahoo.com> Spat the Words
No surprisingly, US has started using non conventional weapons in Iraq.
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'Unusual Weapons' Used in Fallujah
Dahr Jamail
BAGHDAD, Nov 26 (IPS) - The U.S. military has used poison gas and other
non-conventional weapons against civilians in Fallujah, eyewitnesses
report.
"Poisonous gases have been used in Fallujah," 35-year-old trader from
Fallujah Abu Hammad told IPS. "They used everything -- tanks, artillery,
infantry, poison gas. Fallujah has been bombed to the ground."
Now you're becoming the kook of the newsgroup, stat. Do you have
any references other than an arab propaganda website?
Sure. These non-arab sites have also picked the same story:
http://www.ipsnews.net/print.asp?idnews=26440
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/11/301929.html
http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=04/11/26/8863664
http://www.rense.com/general60/sdus.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7374.htm
BTW, Dahr Jamail, the author of this article is a very reputable reporter.
I'd be very surprised to find out he's just lying. That's why I copied it
here.
Other similar reports are leaking out now as well. See for example:
http://mathaba.net/x.htm?http://mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=82581
And there is of course a whole lot of "concern" over the massive use of DU
over Iraqi cities. But I guess that is legal (?)
The US
Military doesn't use gas... it doesn't have to... gas is often
used in desperation... the US Military is hardly desperate
(undermanned for the current task, yes, but not desperate).
I bet you thought the same thing about torture until you saw the videos.
War's an ugly thing!
Stat.
Hammad is from the Julan district of Fallujah where some of the heaviest
fighting occurred. Other residents of that area report the use of
illegal weapons.
"They used these weird bombs that put up smoke like a mushroom cloud,"
Abu Sabah, another Fallujah refugee from the Julan area told IPS. "Then
small pieces fall from the air with long tails of smoke behind them."
He said pieces of these bombs exploded into large fires that burnt the
skin even when water was thrown on the burns. Phosphorous weapons as
well as napalm are known to cause such effects. "People suffered so much
from these," he said.
Macabre accounts of killing of civilians are emerging through the cordon
U.S. forces are still maintaining around Fallujah.
"Doctors in Fallujah are reporting to me that there are patients in the
hospital there who were forced out by the Americans," said Mehdi
Abdulla, a 33-year-old ambulance driver at a hospital in Baghdad. "Some
doctors there told me they had a major operation going, but the soldiers
took the doctors away and left the patient to die."
Kassem Mohammed Ahmed who escaped from Fallujah a little over a week ago
told IPS he witnessed many atrocities committed by U.S. soldiers in the
city.
"I watched them roll over wounded people in the street with tanks," he
said. "This happened so many times."
Abdul Razaq Ismail who escaped from Fallujah two weeks back said
soldiers had used tanks to pull bodies to the soccer stadium to be
buried. "I saw dead bodies on the ground and nobody could bury them
because of the American snipers," he said. "The Americans were dropping
some of the bodies into the Euphrates near Fallujah."
Abu Hammad said he saw people attempt to swim across the Euphrates to
escape the siege. "The Americans shot them with rifles from the shore,"
he said. "Even if some of them were holding a white flag or white
clothes over their heads to show they are not fighters, they were all
shot.."
Hammad said he had seen elderly women carrying white flags shot by U.S.
soldiers. "Even the wounded people were killed. The Americans made
announcements for people to come to one mosque if they wanted to leave
Fallujah, and even the people who went there carrying white flags were
killed."
Another Fallujah resident Khalil (40) told IPS he saw civilians shot as
they held up makeshift white flags. "They shot women and old men in the
streets," he said. "Then they shot anyone who tried to get their
bodies...Fallujah is suffering too much, it is almost gone now."
Refugees had moved to another kind of misery now, he said. "It's a
disaster living here at this camp," Khalil said. "We are living like
dogs and the kids do not have enough clothes."
Spokesman for the Iraqi Red Crescent in Baghdad Abdel Hamid Salim told
IPS that none of their relief teams had been allowed into Fallujah, and
that the military had said it would be at least two more weeks before
any refugees would be allowed back into the city.
"There is still heavy fighting in Fallujah," said Salim. "And the
Americans won't let us in so we can help people."
In many camps around Fallujah and throughout Baghdad, refugees are
living without enough food, clothing and shelter. Relief groups estimate
there are at least 15,000 refugee families in temporary shelters outside
Fallujah.
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| User: "R. Foreman" |
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| Title: Re: WMD in Iraq |
29 Nov 2004 12:37:29 AM |
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"MonsieurStat" <Monsieustat@yahoo.com> Spat the Words
And there is of course a whole lot of "concern" over the massive use of DU
over Iraqi cities. But I guess that is legal (?)
The US
Military doesn't use gas... it doesn't have to... gas is often
used in desperation... the US Military is hardly desperate
(undermanned for the current task, yes, but not desperate).
I bet you thought the same thing about torture until you saw the videos.
War's an ugly thing!
Stat.
Yes, atrocities often occur during war, regardless of who
is doing the fighting.
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| User: "Jane" |
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29 Nov 2004 07:19:16 AM |
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"MonsieurStat" <Monsieustat@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:YOyqd.7632$Ad3.441076@news20.bellglobal.com...
"R. Foreman" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns95AFE221BEA3Crrfkwrantispamattbic@216.148.227.77...
"MonsieurStat" <Monsieustat@yahoo.com> Spat the Words
No surprisingly, US has started using non conventional weapons in Iraq.
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'Unusual Weapons' Used in Fallujah
Dahr Jamail
BAGHDAD, Nov 26 (IPS) - The U.S. military has used poison gas and other
non-conventional weapons against civilians in Fallujah, eyewitnesses
report.
"Poisonous gases have been used in Fallujah," 35-year-old trader from
Fallujah Abu Hammad told IPS. "They used everything -- tanks,
artillery,
infantry, poison gas. Fallujah has been bombed to the ground."
Now you're becoming the kook of the newsgroup, stat. Do you have
any references other than an arab propaganda website?
Sure. These non-arab sites have also picked the same story:
http://www.ipsnews.net/print.asp?idnews=26440
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/11/301929.html
http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=04/11/26/8863664
http://www.rense.com/general60/sdus.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7374.htm
Got anything from Reuters, for example? All the sites you linked to are
unreliable.
Jane
BTW, Dahr Jamail, the author of this article is a very reputable reporter.
I'd be very surprised to find out he's just lying. That's why I copied it
here.
Other similar reports are leaking out now as well. See for example:
http://mathaba.net/x.htm?http://mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=82581
And there is of course a whole lot of "concern" over the massive use of DU
over Iraqi cities. But I guess that is legal (?)
The US
Military doesn't use gas... it doesn't have to... gas is often
used in desperation... the US Military is hardly desperate
(undermanned for the current task, yes, but not desperate).
I bet you thought the same thing about torture until you saw the videos.
War's an ugly thing!
Stat.
Hammad is from the Julan district of Fallujah where some of the
heaviest
fighting occurred. Other residents of that area report the use of
illegal weapons.
"They used these weird bombs that put up smoke like a mushroom cloud,"
Abu Sabah, another Fallujah refugee from the Julan area told IPS. "Then
small pieces fall from the air with long tails of smoke behind them."
He said pieces of these bombs exploded into large fires that burnt the
skin even when water was thrown on the burns. Phosphorous weapons as
well as napalm are known to cause such effects. "People suffered so
much
from these," he said.
Macabre accounts of killing of civilians are emerging through the
cordon
U.S. forces are still maintaining around Fallujah.
"Doctors in Fallujah are reporting to me that there are patients in the
hospital there who were forced out by the Americans," said Mehdi
Abdulla, a 33-year-old ambulance driver at a hospital in Baghdad. "Some
doctors there told me they had a major operation going, but the
soldiers
took the doctors away and left the patient to die."
Kassem Mohammed Ahmed who escaped from Fallujah a little over a week
ago
told IPS he witnessed many atrocities committed by U.S. soldiers in the
city.
"I watched them roll over wounded people in the street with tanks," he
said. "This happened so many times."
Abdul Razaq Ismail who escaped from Fallujah two weeks back said
soldiers had used tanks to pull bodies to the soccer stadium to be
buried. "I saw dead bodies on the ground and nobody could bury them
because of the American snipers," he said. "The Americans were dropping
some of the bodies into the Euphrates near Fallujah."
Abu Hammad said he saw people attempt to swim across the Euphrates to
escape the siege. "The Americans shot them with rifles from the shore,"
he said. "Even if some of them were holding a white flag or white
clothes over their heads to show they are not fighters, they were all
shot.."
Hammad said he had seen elderly women carrying white flags shot by U.S.
soldiers. "Even the wounded people were killed. The Americans made
announcements for people to come to one mosque if they wanted to leave
Fallujah, and even the people who went there carrying white flags were
killed."
Another Fallujah resident Khalil (40) told IPS he saw civilians shot as
they held up makeshift white flags. "They shot women and old men in the
streets," he said. "Then they shot anyone who tried to get their
bodies...Fallujah is suffering too much, it is almost gone now."
Refugees had moved to another kind of misery now, he said. "It's a
disaster living here at this camp," Khalil said. "We are living like
dogs and the kids do not have enough clothes."
Spokesman for the Iraqi Red Crescent in Baghdad Abdel Hamid Salim told
IPS that none of their relief teams had been allowed into Fallujah, and
that the military had said it would be at least two more weeks before
any refugees would be allowed back into the city.
"There is still heavy fighting in Fallujah," said Salim. "And the
Americans won't let us in so we can help people."
In many camps around Fallujah and throughout Baghdad, refugees are
living without enough food, clothing and shelter. Relief groups
estimate
there are at least 15,000 refugee families in temporary shelters
outside
Fallujah.
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| User: "MonsieurStat" |
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| Title: Re: WMD in Iraq |
29 Nov 2004 07:35:16 AM |
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:klFqd.8597$Ad3.490630@news20.bellglobal.com...
"MonsieurStat" <Monsieustat@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:YOyqd.7632$Ad3.441076@news20.bellglobal.com...
"R. Foreman" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns95AFE221BEA3Crrfkwrantispamattbic@216.148.227.77...
"MonsieurStat" <Monsieustat@yahoo.com> Spat the Words
No surprisingly, US has started using non conventional weapons in Iraq.
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'Unusual Weapons' Used in Fallujah
Dahr Jamail
BAGHDAD, Nov 26 (IPS) - The U.S. military has used poison gas and other
non-conventional weapons against civilians in Fallujah, eyewitnesses
report.
"Poisonous gases have been used in Fallujah," 35-year-old trader from
Fallujah Abu Hammad told IPS. "They used everything -- tanks,
artillery,
infantry, poison gas. Fallujah has been bombed to the ground."
Now you're becoming the kook of the newsgroup, stat. Do you have
any references other than an arab propaganda website?
Sure. These non-arab sites have also picked the same story:
http://www.ipsnews.net/print.asp?idnews=26440
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/11/301929.html
http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=04/11/26/8863664
http://www.rense.com/general60/sdus.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7374.htm
Got anything from Reuters, for example? All the sites you linked to are
unreliable.
Nothing from Reuters or other major news sources. The city is still closed to
reporters, aid workers, etc. People like Dahr Jamail go in at their own risk.
I guess we'll hear more about this in the coming days when the city opens up.
Stat.
Jane
BTW, Dahr Jamail, the author of this article is a very reputable reporter.
I'd be very surprised to find out he's just lying. That's why I copied it
here.
Other similar reports are leaking out now as well. See for example:
http://mathaba.net/x.htm?http://mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=82581
And there is of course a whole lot of "concern" over the massive use of DU
over Iraqi cities. But I guess that is legal (?)
The US
Military doesn't use gas... it doesn't have to... gas is often
used in desperation... the US Military is hardly desperate
(undermanned for the current task, yes, but not desperate).
I bet you thought the same thing about torture until you saw the videos.
War's an ugly thing!
Stat.
Hammad is from the Julan district of Fallujah where some of the
heaviest
fighting occurred. Other residents of that area report the use of
illegal weapons.
"They used these weird bombs that put up smoke like a mushroom cloud,"
Abu Sabah, another Fallujah refugee from the Julan area told IPS. "Then
small pieces fall from the air with long tails of smoke behind them."
He said pieces of these bombs exploded into large fires that burnt the
skin even when water was thrown on the burns. Phosphorous weapons as
well as napalm are known to cause such effects. "People suffered so
much
from these," he said.
Macabre accounts of killing of civilians are emerging through the
cordon
U.S. forces are still maintaining around Fallujah.
"Doctors in Fallujah are reporting to me that there are patients in the
hospital there who were forced out by the Americans," said Mehdi
Abdulla, a 33-year-old ambulance driver at a hospital in Baghdad. "Some
doctors there told me they had a major operation going, but the
soldiers
took the doctors away and left the patient to die."
Kassem Mohammed Ahmed who escaped from Fallujah a little over a week
ago
told IPS he witnessed many atrocities committed by U.S. soldiers in the
city.
"I watched them roll over wounded people in the street with tanks," he
said. "This happened so many times."
Abdul Razaq Ismail who escaped from Fallujah two weeks back said
soldiers had used tanks to pull bodies to the soccer stadium to be
buried. "I saw dead bodies on the ground and nobody could bury them
because of the American snipers," he said. "The Americans were dropping
some of the bodies into the Euphrates near Fallujah."
Abu Hammad said he saw people attempt to swim across the Euphrates to
escape the siege. "The Americans shot them with rifles from the shore,"
he said. "Even if some of them were holding a white flag or white
clothes over their heads to show they are not fighters, they were all
shot.."
Hammad said he had seen elderly women carrying white flags shot by U.S.
soldiers. "Even the wounded people were killed. The Americans made
announcements for people to come to one mosque if they wanted to leave
Fallujah, and even the people who went there carrying white flags were
killed."
Another Fallujah resident Khalil (40) told IPS he saw civilians shot as
they held up makeshift white flags. "They shot women and old men in the
streets," he said. "Then they shot anyone who tried to get their
bodies...Fallujah is suffering too much, it is almost gone now."
Refugees had moved to another kind of misery now, he said. "It's a
disaster living here at this camp," Khalil said. "We are living like
dogs and the kids do not have enough clothes."
Spokesman for the Iraqi Red Crescent in Baghdad Abdel Hamid Salim told
IPS that none of their relief teams had been allowed into Fallujah, and
that the military had said it would be at least two more weeks before
any refugees would be allowed back into the city.
"There is still heavy fighting in Fallujah," said Salim. "And the
Americans won't let us in so we can help people."
In many camps around Fallujah and throughout Baghdad, refugees are
living without enough food, clothing and shelter. Relief groups
estimate
there are at least 15,000 refugee families in temporary shelters
outside
Fallujah.
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29 Nov 2004 09:15:53 AM |
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"MonsieurStat" <Monsieustat@yahoo.com> Spat the Words
No surprisingly, US has started using non conventional weapons in
Iraq.
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e
'Unusual Weapons' Used in Fallujah
Dahr Jamail
BAGHDAD, Nov 26 (IPS) - The U.S. military has used poison gas and
other
non-conventional weapons against civilians in Fallujah, eyewitnesses
report.
"Poisonous gases have been used in Fallujah," 35-year-old trader
from
Fallujah Abu Hammad told IPS. "They used everything -- tanks,
artillery,
infantry, poison gas. Fallujah has been bombed to the ground."
Now you're becoming the kook of the newsgroup, stat. Do you have
any references other than an arab propaganda website?
Sure. These non-arab sites have also picked the same story:
http://www.ipsnews.net/print.asp?idnews=26440
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/11/301929.html
http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=04/11/26/8863664
http://www.rense.com/general60/sdus.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7374.htm
Got anything from Reuters, for example? All the sites you linked to are
unreliable.
Nothing from Reuters or other major news sources. The city is still closed
to
reporters, aid workers, etc. People like Dahr Jamail go in at their own
risk.
I guess we'll hear more about this in the coming days when the city opens
up.
Stat.
Guess we will....or won't??? It'll be interesting to see.
Jane
Jane
BTW, Dahr Jamail, the author of this article is a very reputable
reporter.
I'd be very surprised to find out he's just lying. That's why I copied
it
here.
Other similar reports are leaking out now as well. See for example:
http://mathaba.net/x.htm?http://mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=82581
And there is of course a whole lot of "concern" over the massive use of
DU
over Iraqi cities. But I guess that is legal (?)
The US
Military doesn't use gas... it doesn't have to... gas is often
used in desperation... the US Military is hardly desperate
(undermanned for the current task, yes, but not desperate).
I bet you thought the same thing about torture until you saw the
videos.
War's an ugly thing!
Stat.
Hammad is from the Julan district of Fallujah where some of the
heaviest
fighting occurred. Other residents of that area report the use of
illegal weapons.
"They used these weird bombs that put up smoke like a mushroom
cloud,"
Abu Sabah, another Fallujah refugee from the Julan area told IPS.
"Then
small pieces fall from the air with long tails of smoke behind
them."
He said pieces of these bombs exploded into large fires that burnt
the
skin even when water was thrown on the burns. Phosphorous weapons as
well as napalm are known to cause such effects. "People suffered so
much
from these," he said.
Macabre accounts of killing of civilians are emerging through the
cordon
U.S. forces are still maintaining around Fallujah.
"Doctors in Fallujah are reporting to me that there are patients in
the
hospital there who were forced out by the Americans," said Mehdi
Abdulla, a 33-year-old ambulance driver at a hospital in Baghdad.
"Some
doctors there told me they had a major operation going, but the
soldiers
took the doctors away and left the patient to die."
Kassem Mohammed Ahmed who escaped from Fallujah a little over a week
ago
told IPS he witnessed many atrocities committed by U.S. soldiers in
the
city.
"I watched them roll over wounded people in the street with tanks,"
he
said. "This happened so many times."
Abdul Razaq Ismail who escaped from Fallujah two weeks back said
soldiers had used tanks to pull bodies to the soccer stadium to be
buried. "I saw dead bodies on the ground and nobody could bury them
because of the American snipers," he said. "The Americans were
dropping
some of the bodies into the Euphrates near Fallujah."
Abu Hammad said he saw people attempt to swim across the Euphrates
to
escape the siege. "The Americans shot them with rifles from the
shore,"
he said. "Even if some of them were holding a white flag or white
clothes over their heads to show they are not fighters, they were
all
shot.."
Hammad said he had seen elderly women carrying white flags shot by
U.S.
soldiers. "Even the wounded people were killed. The Americans made
announcements for people to come to one mosque if they wanted to
leave
Fallujah, and even the people who went there carrying white flags
were
killed."
Another Fallujah resident Khalil (40) told IPS he saw civilians shot
as
they held up makeshift white flags. "They shot women and old men in
the
streets," he said. "Then they shot anyone who tried to get their
bodies...Fallujah is suffering too much, it is almost gone now."
Refugees had moved to another kind of misery now, he said. "It's a
disaster living here at this camp," Khalil said. "We are living like
dogs and the kids do not have enough clothes."
Spokesman for the Iraqi Red Crescent in Baghdad Abdel Hamid Salim
told
IPS that none of their relief teams had been allowed into Fallujah,
and
that the military had said it would be at least two more weeks
before
any refugees would be allowed back into the city.
"There is still heavy fighting in Fallujah," said Salim. "And the
Americans won't let us in so we can help people."
In many camps around Fallujah and throughout Baghdad, refugees are
living without enough food, clothing and shelter. Relief groups
estimate
there are at least 15,000 refugee families in temporary shelters
outside
Fallujah.
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29 Nov 2004 10:25:52 PM |
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"MonsieurStat" <Monsieustat@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"MonsieurStat" <Monsieustat@yahoo.com> Spat the Words
No surprisingly, US has started using non conventional weapons in
Iraq.
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http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/hard_news/archives/hard_news/000137.php#mor
e
'Unusual Weapons' Used in Fallujah
Dahr Jamail
BAGHDAD, Nov 26 (IPS) - The U.S. military has used poison gas and
other
non-conventional weapons against civilians in Fallujah, eyewitnesses
report.
"Poisonous gases have been used in Fallujah," 35-year-old trader
from
Fallujah Abu Hammad told IPS. "They used everything -- tanks,
artillery,
infantry, poison gas. Fallujah has been bombed to the ground."
Now you're becoming the kook of the newsgroup, stat. Do you have
any references other than an arab propaganda website?
Sure. These non-arab sites have also picked the same story:
http://www.ipsnews.net/print.asp?idnews=26440
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/11/301929.html
http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=04/11/26/8863664
http://www.rense.com/general60/sdus.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7374.htm
Got anything from Reuters, for example? All the sites you linked to are
unreliable.
Nothing from Reuters or other major news sources. The city is still closed
to
reporters, aid workers, etc. People like Dahr Jamail go in at their own
risk.
I guess we'll hear more about this in the coming days when the city opens
up.
Stat.
Guess we will....or won't??? It'll be interesting to see.
Story is starting to surface in British media now. My predication is that
this will play out in one of two ways:
1. The story will get watered-down a lot mt the main stream media and will be
qualified as accidental use or something of that sort.
2. The insurgents will be accused of using the deadly banned gases. This will
serve to first prove that the insurgents DO in fact have access to these
weapons, and second it will deflect the blame form the US.
I hate making these gloomy predictions. But it's all deja-vu.
Stat.
Jane
Jane
BTW, Dahr Jamail, the author of this article is a very reputable
reporter.
I'd be very surprised to find out he's just lying. That's why I copied
it
here.
Other similar reports are leaking out now as well. See for example:
http://mathaba.net/x.htm?http://mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=82581
And there is of course a whole lot of "concern" over the massive use of
DU
over Iraqi cities. But I guess that is legal (?)
The US
Military doesn't use gas... it doesn't have to... gas is often
used in desperation... the US Military is hardly desperate
(undermanned for the current task, yes, but not desperate).
I bet you thought the same thing about torture until you saw the
videos.
War's an ugly thing!
Stat.
Hammad is from the Julan district of Fallujah where some of the
heaviest
fighting occurred. Other residents of that area report the use of
illegal weapons.
"They used these weird bombs that put up smoke like a mushroom
cloud,"
Abu Sabah, another Fallujah refugee from the Julan area told IPS.
"Then
small pieces fall from the air with long tails of smoke behind
them."
He said pieces of these bombs exploded into large fires that burnt
the
skin even when water was thrown on the burns. Phosphorous weapons as
well as napalm are known to cause such effects. "People suffered so
much
from these," he said.
Macabre accounts of killing of civilians are emerging through the
cordon
U.S. forces are still maintaining around Fallujah.
"Doctors in Fallujah are reporting to me that there are patients in
the
hospital there who were forced out by the Americans," said Mehdi
Abdulla, a 33-year-old ambulance driver at a hospital in Baghdad.
"Some
doctors there told me they had a major operation going, but the
soldiers
took the doctors away and left the patient to die."
Kassem Mohammed Ahmed who escaped from Fallujah a little over a week
ago
told IPS he witnessed many atrocities committed by U.S. soldiers in
the
city.
"I watched them roll over wounded people in the street with tanks,"
he
said. "This happened so many times."
Abdul Razaq Ismail who escaped from Fallujah two weeks back said
soldiers had used tanks to pull bodies to the soccer stadium to be
buried. "I saw dead bodies on the ground and nobody could bury them
because of the American snipers," he said. "The Americans were
dropping
some of the bodies into the Euphrates near Fallujah."
Abu Hammad said he saw people attempt to swim across the Euphrates
to
escape the siege. "The Americans shot them with rifles from the
shore,"
he said. "Even if some of them were holding a white flag or white
clothes over their heads to show they are not fighters, they were
all
shot.."
Hammad said he had seen elderly women carrying white flags shot by
U.S.
soldiers. "Even the wounded people were killed. The Americans made
announcements for people to come to one mosque if they wanted to
leave
Fallujah, and even the people who went there carrying white flags
were
killed."
Another Fallujah resident Khalil (40) told IPS he saw civilians shot
as
they held up makeshift white flags. "They shot women and old men in
the
streets," he said. "Then they shot anyone who tried to get their
bodies...Fallujah is suffering too much, it is almost gone now."
Refugees had moved to another kind of misery now, he said. "It's a
disaster living here at this camp," Khalil said. "We are living like
dogs and the kids do not have enough clothes."
Spokesman for the Iraqi Red Crescent in Baghdad Abdel Hamid Salim
told
IPS that none of their relief teams had been allowed into Fallujah,
and
that the military had said it would be at least two more weeks
before
any refugees would be allowed back into the city.
"There is still heavy fighting in Fallujah," said Salim. "And the
Americans won't let us in so we can help people."
In many camps around Fallujah and throughout Baghdad, refugees are
living without enough food, clothing and shelter. Relief groups
estimate
there are at least 15,000 refugee families in temporary shelters
outside
Fallujah.
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: WMD in Iraq |
30 Nov 2004 05:07:47 AM |
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"MonsieurStat" <Monsieustat@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:wDSqd.12182$Ad3.810029@news20.bellglobal.com...
Story is starting to surface in British media now. My predication is that
this will play out in one of two ways:
1. The story will get watered-down a lot mt the main stream media and will
be
qualified as accidental use or something of that sort.
I would find it very, very surprising to hear poisonous gasses had been used
in Falluja. First of all, the coaliion don't have such weapons in their
arsenal anymroe, secondly, they are absolutely useless in urban warfare
situations (the expected scenario is concentrated artillery bombardment of
troop concentrations in the open - preferably a long way away from you and
downwind too) as you will lend up gassing loads of your own side.
Interestingly, I believe CS (tear) gas was banned by the GC at one point,
don't know if it still is though. I can imagine CS being used in house
clearing operations. Perhaps this is what has caused the confusion?
Listening to the description "”They used these weird bombs that put up smoke
like a mushroom cloud,” Abu Sabah, another Fallujah refugee from the Julan
area told IPS. ”Then small pieces fall from the air with long tails of smoke
behind them.” that sonds like some sort of phosphorous/incendiary munition.
It certainly doesn't sound like a gas/chem round.
2. The insurgents will be accused of using the deadly banned gases. This
will
serve to first prove that the insurgents DO in fact have access to these
weapons, and second it will deflect the blame form the US.
I hate making these gloomy predictions. But it's all deja-vu.
Stat.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: WMD in Iraq |
29 Nov 2004 07:11:37 PM |
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In article <YOyqd.7632$Ad3.441076@news20.bellglobal.com>, "MonsieurStat" <Monsieustat@yahoo.com> wrote:
"R. Foreman" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns95AFE221BEA3Crrfkwrantispamattbic@216.148.227.77...
"MonsieurStat" <Monsieustat@yahoo.com> Spat the Words
No surprisingly, US has started using non conventional weapons in Iraq.
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http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/hard_news/archives/hard_news/000137.php#mor
e
'Unusual Weapons' Used in Fallujah
Dahr Jamail
BAGHDAD, Nov 26 (IPS) - The U.S. military has used poison gas and other
non-conventional weapons against civilians in Fallujah, eyewitnesses
report.
"Poisonous gases have been used in Fallujah," 35-year-old trader from
Fallujah Abu Hammad told IPS. "They used everything -- tanks, artillery,
infantry, poison gas. Fallujah has been bombed to the ground."
Now you're becoming the kook of the newsgroup, stat. Do you have
any references other than an arab propaganda website?
Sure. These non-arab sites have also picked the same story:
http://www.ipsnews.net/print.asp?idnews=26440
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/11/301929.html
http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=04/11/26/8863664
http://www.rense.com/general60/sdus.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7374.htm
BTW, Dahr Jamail, the author of this article is a very reputable reporter.
I'd be very surprised to find out he's just lying. That's why I copied it
here.
Other similar reports are leaking out now as well. See for example:
http://mathaba.net/x.htm?http://mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=82581
And there is of course a whole lot of "concern" over the massive use of DU
over Iraqi cities. But I guess that is legal (?)
The US
Military doesn't use gas... it doesn't have to... gas is often
used in desperation... the US Military is hardly desperate
(undermanned for the current task, yes, but not desperate).
I bet you thought the same thing about torture until you saw the videos.
War's an ugly thing!
Yes, it is. And rumors run rampant during a war when there is a terrified
population getting no information.
I would think that, at most, there is tear gas being used for crowd control.
Hopefully, this will be investigated and we'll find out for certain at some
later point in time, but just going according to eyewitnesses who aren't
familiar with the weapons isn't a good place from which to draw any conclusions.
Woods
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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29 Nov 2004 07:07:06 PM |
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In article <gKuqd.4568$kI6.226817@news20.bellglobal.com>, "MonsieurStat" <Monsieustat@yahoo.com> wrote:
No surprisingly, US has started using non conventional weapons in Iraq.
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'Unusual Weapons' Used in Fallujah
Dahr Jamail
BAGHDAD, Nov 26 (IPS) - The U.S. military has used poison gas and other
non-conventional weapons against civilians in Fallujah, eyewitnesses report.
"Poisonous gases have been used in Fallujah," 35-year-old trader from
Fallujah Abu Hammad told IPS. "They used everything -- tanks, artillery,
infantry, poison gas. Fallujah has been bombed to the ground."
Hammad is from the Julan district of Fallujah where some of the heaviest
fighting occurred. Other residents of that area report the use of illegal
weapons.
Is tear gas considered a chemical weapon?
Woods
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: WMD in Iraq |
30 Nov 2004 05:17:12 AM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:_IPqd.29627$1u.29523@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <gKuqd.4568$kI6.226817@news20.bellglobal.com>, "MonsieurStat"
<Monsieustat@yahoo.com> wrote:
No surprisingly, US has started using non conventional weapons in Iraq.
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http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/hard_news/archives/hard_news/000137.php#more
'Unusual Weapons' Used in Fallujah
Dahr Jamail
BAGHDAD, Nov 26 (IPS) - The U.S. military has used poison gas and other
non-conventional weapons against civilians in Fallujah, eyewitnesses
report.
"Poisonous gases have been used in Fallujah," 35-year-old trader from
Fallujah Abu Hammad told IPS. "They used everything -- tanks, artillery,
infantry, poison gas. Fallujah has been bombed to the ground."
Hammad is from the Julan district of Fallujah where some of the heaviest
fighting occurred. Other residents of that area report the use of illegal
weapons.
Is tear gas considered a chemical weapon?
Yes, banned by the 1993 Chemical Weapons Convention (and the Geneva
Convention), woudl you believe! Personally, I think that's ridiculous - I'd
rather roll naked in a bath full of CS crystals for an entire day than get
napalmed (which is legal under the GC), but there you go..
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0309-05.htm
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| Title: Re: WMD in Iraq |
29 Nov 2004 10:20:26 PM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:_IPqd.29627$1u.29523@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <gKuqd.4568$kI6.226817@news20.bellglobal.com>, "MonsieurStat"
<Monsieustat@yahoo.com> wrote:
No surprisingly, US has started using non conventional weapons in Iraq.
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http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/hard_news/archives/hard_news/000137.php#more
'Unusual Weapons' Used in Fallujah
Dahr Jamail
BAGHDAD, Nov 26 (IPS) - The U.S. military has used poison gas and other
non-conventional weapons against civilians in Fallujah, eyewitnesses
report.
"Poisonous gases have been used in Fallujah," 35-year-old trader from
Fallujah Abu Hammad told IPS. "They used everything -- tanks, artillery,
infantry, poison gas. Fallujah has been bombed to the ground."
Hammad is from the Julan district of Fallujah where some of the heaviest
fighting occurred. Other residents of that area report the use of illegal
weapons.
Is tear gas considered a chemical weapon?
I don't think so. The D in WMD stands for Destruction. Tear gas doesn't
qualify. But Napalm does - which is why it has been banned.
Apparently that's what was used. Story is starting to make its way to more
"acceptable" sources now:
http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=14920109&method=full&siteid=106694&headline=fallujah-napalmed-name_page.html
FALLUJAH NAPALMED
Nov 28 2004
US uses banned weapon ..but was Tony Blair told?
By Paul Gilfeather Political Editor
US troops are secretly using outlawed napalm gas to wipe out remaining
insurgents in and around Fallujah.
News that President George W. Bush has sanctioned the use of napalm, a
deadly cocktail of polystyrene and jet fuel banned by the United Nations in
1980, will stun governments around the world.
And last night Tony Blair was dragged into the row as furious Labour
MPs demanded he face the Commons over it. Reports claim that innocent
civilians have died in napalm attacks, which turn victims into human
fireballs as the gel bonds flames to flesh.
Outraged critics have also demanded that Mr Blair threatens to withdraw
British troops from Iraq unless the US abandons one of the world's most
reviled weapons. Halifax Labour MP Alice Mahon said: "I am calling on Mr
Blair to make an emergency statement to the Commons to explain why this is
happening. It begs the question: 'Did we know about this hideous weapon's use
in Iraq?'"
Since the American assault on Fallujah there have been reports of
"melted" corpses, which appeared to have napalm injuries.
Last August the US was forced to admit using the gas in Iraq.
A 1980 UN convention banned the use of napalm against civilians - after
pictures of a naked girl victim fleeing in Vietnam shocked the world.
America, which didn't ratify the treaty, is the only country in the
world still using the weapon.
Woods
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: WMD in Iraq |
30 Nov 2004 05:27:03 AM |
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"MonsieurStat" <Monsieustat@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qySqd.12181$Ad3.806878@news20.bellglobal.com...
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:_IPqd.29627$1u.29523@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <gKuqd.4568$kI6.226817@news20.bellglobal.com>, "MonsieurStat"
<Monsieustat@yahoo.com> wrote:
No surprisingly, US has started using non conventional weapons in Iraq.
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http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/hard_news/archives/hard_news/000137.php#more
'Unusual Weapons' Used in Fallujah
Dahr Jamail
BAGHDAD, Nov 26 (IPS) - The U.S. military has used poison gas and other
non-conventional weapons against civilians in Fallujah, eyewitnesses
report.
"Poisonous gases have been used in Fallujah," 35-year-old trader from
Fallujah Abu Hammad told IPS. "They used everything -- tanks, artillery,
infantry, poison gas. Fallujah has been bombed to the ground."
Hammad is from the Julan district of Fallujah where some of the heaviest
fighting occurred. Other residents of that area report the use of
illegal
weapons.
Is tear gas considered a chemical weapon?
I don't think so.
It is
The D in WMD stands for Destruction.
Which makes it all the more amusing when people try and claim ricin or
anthrax are WMD
Tear gas doesn't
qualify. But Napalm does - which is why it has been banned.
Actually, Napalm has NOT been banned by the geneva convention. Please cite
the relevant portion of the GC if you disagree. Napalm is essentially a
fuel/air weapon, like those "daisy cutter" they dropped on Afghanistan. It
was banned by some UN resolution at one point, but the US didn't sign that
resolution - therefore it os not illegal for the US to use it.
Apparently that's what was used. Story is starting to make its way to more
"acceptable" sources now:
Hmm.. the Mirror is harldy a bastion of Journalistic integrity, the sunday
mirror is even worse.
http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=14920109&method=full&siteid=1
06694&headline=fallujah-napalmed-name_page.html
FALLUJAH NAPALMED
Nov 28 2004
US uses banned weapon ..but was Tony Blair told?
By Paul Gilfeather Political Editor
US troops are secretly using outlawed napalm gas to wipe out
remaining
insurgents in and around Fallujah.
LOL!
1) Napalm isn't banned (at least not by any treaty the US subscribes to)
2) Napalm isn't a gas.
News that President George W. Bush has sanctioned the use of napalm,
a
deadly cocktail of polystyrene and jet fuel
It's actually pretty hard to get jet fuel to ignite at normal temperatures
and pressures. Napal uses petrol (gasoline) for flammability.
banned by the United Nations in
1980, will stun governments around the world.
<snip hysteria>
Last August the US was forced to admit using the gas in Iraq.
Fucking journalists! I'd love to hear them say "itäs a gas" when 400 litres
of burning, jellied peroleum falls on their heads,,,
A 1980 UN convention banned the use of napalm against civilians -
after
pictures of a naked girl victim fleeing in Vietnam shocked the world.
Yeah, 10 years after...
America, which didn't ratify the treaty,
Exactly, so it's not banned as far as teh US is concerned.
is the only country in the
world still using the weapon.
That ain't true either. The rooskis have been dropping it on the Chechnyans.
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| User: "R. Foreman" |
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30 Nov 2004 07:18:11 AM |
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"tw" <no@no.com> Spat the Words
The D in WMD stands for Destruction.
Which makes it all the more amusing when people try and claim ricin or
anthrax are WMD
Tear gas doesn't
qualify. But Napalm does - which is why it has been banned.
Actually, Napalm has NOT been banned by the geneva convention.
Yeah, Napalm isn't a gas, it's more like jelly, a fast-burning
hydrocarbon cocktail. But we've got much better stuff than that
now. There's no reason to use napalm when we've got high-temperature
incendiary bombs which turn people into carbon logs before they
hit the ground.
Please
cite the relevant portion of the GC if you disagree. Napalm is
essentially a fuel/air weapon, like those "daisy cutter" they dropped on
Afghanistan. It was banned by some UN resolution at one point, but the
US didn't sign that resolution - therefore it os not illegal for the US
to use it.
Apparently that's what was used. Story is starting to make its way to
more "acceptable" sources now:
Hmm.. the Mirror is harldy a bastion of Journalistic integrity, the
sunday mirror is even worse.
http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=14920109&method=full&sitei
d=1 06694&headline=fallujah-napalmed-name_page.html
FALLUJAH NAPALMED
Nov 28 2004
US uses banned weapon ..but was Tony Blair told?
By Paul Gilfeather Political Editor
US troops are secretly using outlawed napalm gas to wipe out
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| User: "tw" |
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30 Nov 2004 07:39:59 AM |
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"R. Foreman" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns95B1401EB5BE6rrfkwrantispamattbic@204.127.199.17...
"tw" <no@no.com> Spat the Words
The D in WMD stands for Destruction.
Which makes it all the more amusing when people try and claim ricin or
anthrax are WMD
Tear gas doesn't
qualify. But Napalm does - which is why it has been banned.
Actually, Napalm has NOT been banned by the geneva convention.
Yeah, Napalm isn't a gas, it's more like jelly, a fast-burning
hydrocarbon cocktail. But we've got much better stuff than that
now. There's no reason to use napalm when we've got high-temperature
incendiary bombs which turn people into carbon logs before they
hit the ground.
Actually, napalm aften kills you before you hit the ground too - it tends to
suck up all the avaliable oxygen in the area and suffocate you. If you are
on the fringe of the explosion you'll die from being covered in burning
jellied petroleum though.
I'm not sure "incendiary" bombs per se are used much anymore - maybe some
white phosphorous for marking targets. The "MOAB" or "daisy cutter" ( a
misnomer, more journalistic laziness) use in afghanistan was a Fuel/Air
munition which basically sprays a big mist of flammable liquid into the air
then ignites it. Nasty. Not banned though!
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| User: "R. Foreman" |
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30 Nov 2004 08:38:26 AM |
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"tw" <no@no.com> Spat the Words
"R. Foreman" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns95B1401EB5BE6rrfkwrantispamattbic@204.127.199.17...
"tw" <no@no.com> Spat the Words
The D in WMD stands for Destruction.
Which makes it all the more amusing when people try and claim ricin
or anthrax are WMD
Tear gas doesn't
qualify. But Napalm does - which is why it has been banned.
Actually, Napalm has NOT been banned by the geneva convention.
Yeah, Napalm isn't a gas, it's more like jelly, a fast-burning
hydrocarbon cocktail. But we've got much better stuff than that
now. There's no reason to use napalm when we've got high-temperature
incendiary bombs which turn people into carbon logs before they
hit the ground.
Actually, napalm aften kills you before you hit the ground too - it
tends to suck up all the avaliable oxygen in the area and suffocate you.
If you are on the fringe of the explosion you'll die from being covered
in burning jellied petroleum though.
I'm not sure "incendiary" bombs per se are used much anymore - maybe
some white phosphorous for marking targets. The "MOAB" or "daisy cutter"
( a misnomer, more journalistic laziness) use in afghanistan was a
Fuel/Air munition which basically sprays a big mist of flammable liquid
into the air then ignites it. Nasty. Not banned though!
I remember seeing reports as recently as the Kosovo bombing
campaign, at some of the bombing sites all that was left
was basically carbon logs that were probably once human.
Perhaps the standard 'dumb, iron' bomb that we strap a JDAM
pack onto explodes at such high temperature it carbonizes people.
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| User: "tw" |
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30 Nov 2004 08:50:38 AM |
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"R. Foreman" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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"tw" <no@no.com> Spat the Words
"R. Foreman" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns95B1401EB5BE6rrfkwrantispamattbic@204.127.199.17...
"tw" <no@no.com> Spat the Words
The D in WMD stands for Destruction.
Which makes it all the more amusing when people try and claim ricin
or anthrax are WMD
Tear gas doesn't
qualify. But Napalm does - which is why it has been banned.
Actually, Napalm has NOT been banned by the geneva convention.
Yeah, Napalm isn't a gas, it's more like jelly, a fast-burning
hydrocarbon cocktail. But we've got much better stuff than that
now. There's no reason to use napalm when we've got high-temperature
incendiary bombs which turn people into carbon logs before they
hit the ground.
Actually, napalm aften kills you before you hit the ground too - it
tends to suck up all the avaliable oxygen in the area and suffocate you.
If you are on the fringe of the explosion you'll die from being covered
in burning jellied petroleum though.
I'm not sure "incendiary" bombs per se are used much anymore - maybe
some white phosphorous for marking targets. The "MOAB" or "daisy cutter"
( a misnomer, more journalistic laziness) use in afghanistan was a
Fuel/Air munition which basically sprays a big mist of flammable liquid
into the air then ignites it. Nasty. Not banned though!
I remember seeing reports as recently as the Kosovo bombing
campaign, at some of the bombing sites all that was left
was basically carbon logs that were probably once human.
Sorry, perhaps I was unclear. Once napalm has suffocated you (if you're
lucky) you most certainly WILL get turned into a big charred log as you
describe. There was a picture floating around the web of a truckload of
Iraqi soldiers caught by napalm on the Basra Road. They were killed almost
insantaneously by asphyxiation, twelve guys still sat on the benches, still
upright, still holding their guns, all completely carbonised.
I'm not sure napalm or FAE was used in Kosovo, I'll have to check.
Perhaps the standard 'dumb, iron' bomb that we strap a JDAM
pack onto explodes at such high temperature it carbonizes people.
No, HE will kill you with blast and fragmentation every time, of course it
might well start fires too that carbonise you later, but I don't think it
would be a primary effect.
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30 Nov 2004 09:20:10 AM |
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"tw" <no@no.com> Spat the Words
I remember seeing reports as recently as the Kosovo bombing
campaign, at some of the bombing sites all that was left
was basically carbon logs that were probably once human.
Sorry, perhaps I was unclear. Once napalm has suffocated you (if you're
lucky) you most certainly WILL get turned into a big charred log as you
describe. There was a picture floating around the web of a truckload of
Iraqi soldiers caught by napalm on the Basra Road. They were killed almost
insantaneously by asphyxiation, twelve guys still sat on the benches, still
upright, still holding their guns, all completely carbonised.
I'm not sure napalm or FAE was used in Kosovo, I'll have to check.
I wasn't aware we still use napalm (like I would know what
the military uses). I guess the effect of a 'bomb' would depend
on what is inside it.
Perhaps the standard 'dumb, iron' bomb that we strap a JDAM
pack onto explodes at such high temperature it carbonizes people.
No, HE will kill you with blast and fragmentation every time, of course it
might well start fires too that carbonise you later, but I don't think it
would be a primary effect.
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30 Nov 2004 08:54:04 AM |
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"tw"
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Actually, napalm aften kills you
Aften?
A is nowhere near O, so this is not a typo.
Tony
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| User: "tw" |
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30 Nov 2004 09:12:38 AM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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"tw"
wrote:
Actually, napalm aften kills you
Aften?
Developing a new obsesson, Tony?
A is nowhere near O, so this is not a typo.
LOL
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| User: "Aidan" |
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30 Nov 2004 10:27:10 PM |
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"tw" <> wrote in message
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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"tw"
wrote:
Actually, napalm aften kills you
Aften?
Developing a new obsesson, Tony?
A is nowhere near O, so this is not a typo.
LOL
Double LOL! Tony's really grasping at straws these days, isn't he?
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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01 Dec 2004 10:02:58 AM |
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"Aidan"
wrote:
"tw" < > wrote in message
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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"tw"
wrote:
Actually, napalm aften kills you
Aften?
Developing a new obsesson, Tony?
A is nowhere near O, so this is not a typo.
LOL
Double LOL! Tony's really grasping at >straws these days, isn't he?
Ohhhhhh, when I do this (mocking Tommy Boy) it's "grasping at straws" and an
"obsession", but when Tommy Boy and a few other Liberals here do the same (and
quite often) it's all ok?
I only did it to show Tommy Boy that he shouldn't be pointing out such things
in others peoples posts because he does it more than anyone else.
Tony
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| User: "tw" |
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01 Dec 2004 10:15:56 AM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Aidan"
wrote:
"tw" < > wrote in message
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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"tw"
wrote:
Actually, napalm aften kills you
Aften?
Developing a new obsesson, Tony?
A is nowhere near O, so this is not a typo.
LOL
Double LOL! Tony's really grasping at >straws these days, isn't he?
Ohhhhhh, when I do this (mocking Tommy Boy) it's "grasping at straws" and
an
"obsession", but when Tommy Boy and a few other Liberals here do the same
(and
quite often) it's all ok?
Awww, diddums..
I only did it to show Tommy Boy that he shouldn't be pointing out such
things
in others peoples posts because he does it more than anyone else.
What can I say? Life's a *****, and so's your mother
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