http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/0/28.html?id_issue=10692623
TURA, Russia. Aug 11 (Interfax-Siberia)
- Experts of the Tunguska Space Phenomenon public state fund in Siberia
announced that they have discovered wreckage of an alien technical
device in the place where the Tunguska meteor fell almost 100 years ago.
A giant piece of space rock, later named the Tunguska meteor, is
believed to have collided with the Earth 65 kilometers from the village
of Vanavara (Evenkia) on June 30, 1908. The first expedition to examine
the area was organized in 1927 by Professor Leonid Kulik. However, no
wreckage of an alien device was discovered.
The Evenk autonomous district administration's press service reported
that the most recent expedition had been working in the western sector
of the district. The route for the expedition was charted based on
pictures taken from space near the village of Poligus in the Baikitsky
district.
Researchers argue that they have discovered parts of an alien device
which they believe crashed on June 30, 1908. They also found a rock
weighing about 50 kilograms and sent it to Krasnoyarsk for analysis.
Expedition chief Yuri Lavbin said the results of the expedition
inspire the hope that the mystery of the space phenomenon will be solved
by the 100th anniversary of the Tunguska meteorite disaster.
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| User: "Su Zanne" |
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| Title: Re: Wreckage of Alien Device Discovered at Tunguska Meteor Site |
11 Aug 2004 12:32:24 PM |
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Hey......should we believe these guys?
heh heh!
Those Russians! ALWAYS competing with us on the space level.
Maybe they are just trying to entice the US government into going public
with OUR OWN alien spacecraft wreckage.
I think we should......can't let them get "1-UP" on us! ;)
Su Zanne
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| User: "Leigh_Bee" |
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| Title: Re: Wreckage of Alien Device Discovered at Tunguska Meteor Site |
11 Aug 2004 06:17:23 PM |
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(Su Zanne) wrote in message news:<8065-411A5828-77@storefull-3212.bay.webtv.net>...
Hey......should we believe these guys?
heh heh!
Those Russians! ALWAYS competing with us on the space level.
Maybe they are just trying to entice the US government into going public
with OUR OWN alien spacecraft wreckage.
I think we should......can't let them get "1-UP" on us! ;)
Su Zanne
So they have a rock and what exactly probably an old transistor radio
junk, from a KGB operative running around the forest.
Then again they like esoteric dabbling, I watched a UFO show last
night seemed more like memories of psychedelia, than objective
eveidence.
LB
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| User: "Cardinal Chunder" |
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| Title: Re: Wreckage of Alien Device Discovered at Tunguska Meteor Site |
11 Aug 2004 02:11:40 PM |
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Su Zanne wrote:
http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/0/28.html?id_issue=10692623
TURA, Russia. Aug 11 (Interfax-Siberia)
- Experts of the Tunguska Space Phenomenon public state fund in Siberia
announced that they have discovered wreckage of an alien technical
device in the place where the Tunguska meteor fell almost 100 years ago.
No doubt this wreckage will look curiously similar to rusting tractor
parts or somesuch.
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| User: "Su Zanne" |
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| Title: Re: Wreckage of Alien Device Discovered at Tunguska Meteor Site |
11 Aug 2004 03:24:12 PM |
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Cardinal Chunder wrote:
No doubt this wreckage will look
curiously similar to rusting tractor parts
or somesuch.
Lol!
Green and gold rusting parts?
*Real* Space Cowboys ride John Deere's!
Su Zanne
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| User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android" |
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| Title: Re: Wreckage of Alien Device Discovered at Tunguska Meteor Site |
11 Aug 2004 04:29:45 PM |
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:11:40 +0100, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
Su Zanne wrote:
http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/0/28.html?id_issue=10692623 TURA,
Russia. Aug 11 (Interfax-Siberia) - Experts of the Tunguska Space
Phenomenon public state fund in Siberia
announced that they have discovered wreckage of an alien technical
device in the place where the Tunguska meteor fell almost 100 years ago.
No doubt this wreckage will look curiously similar to rusting tractor
parts or somesuch.
*Maybe* the aliens came here to farm ... they may have launched them from
the MotherShip orbiting the Earth ... this particular one just happened to
ride through the atmosphere a little too quick and flamed out.
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| User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android" |
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| Title: Re: Wreckage of Alien Device Discovered at Tunguska Meteor Site |
11 Aug 2004 04:30:48 PM |
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:11:40 +0100, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
Su Zanne wrote:
http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/0/28.html?id_issue=10692623 TURA,
Russia. Aug 11 (Interfax-Siberia) - Experts of the Tunguska Space
Phenomenon public state fund in Siberia
announced that they have discovered wreckage of an alien technical
device in the place where the Tunguska meteor fell almost 100 years ago.
No doubt this wreckage will look curiously similar to rusting tractor
parts or somesuch.
BTW Cardinal, I haven't seen you posting lately ... nice to see you back.
Tony should be back soon to help pick things up by bringing things down.
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| User: "Cardinal Chunder" |
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| Title: Re: Wreckage of Alien Device Discovered at Tunguska Meteor Site |
12 Aug 2004 04:38:08 AM |
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Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:11:40 +0100, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
Su Zanne wrote:
http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/0/28.html?id_issue=10692623 TURA,
Russia. Aug 11 (Interfax-Siberia) - Experts of the Tunguska Space
Phenomenon public state fund in Siberia
announced that they have discovered wreckage of an alien technical
device in the place where the Tunguska meteor fell almost 100 years ago.
No doubt this wreckage will look curiously similar to rusting tractor
parts or somesuch.
BTW Cardinal, I haven't seen you posting lately ... nice to see you back.
Thanks, I was on my hols flitting from place to place in the Caribbean &
the Gulf of Mexico for a month.
I checked up on Usenet occasionally but only posted once because I
happened to be in an Apple store at the time (free internet) when
Slugshit was making a particularly laughable claim :)
Tony should be back soon to help pick things up by bringing things down.
I did see that he was hoping Dani's plane would crash. What a repellent
heap of ***** he is.
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| User: "Dr. Blunt" |
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| Title: Re: Wreckage of Alien Device Discovered at Tunguska Meteor Site |
12 Aug 2004 05:18:01 AM |
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"Cardinal Chunder" <cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote in message
news:cffdpu01gp3@news1.newsguy.com...
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:11:40 +0100, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
Su Zanne wrote:
http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/0/28.html?id_issue=10692623 TURA,
Russia. Aug 11 (Interfax-Siberia) - Experts of the Tunguska Space
Phenomenon public state fund in Siberia
announced that they have discovered wreckage of an alien technical
device in the place where the Tunguska meteor fell almost 100 years
ago.
No doubt this wreckage will look curiously similar to rusting tractor
parts or somesuch.
BTW Cardinal, I haven't seen you posting lately ... nice to see you
back.
Thanks, I was on my hols flitting from place to place in the Caribbean &
the Gulf of Mexico for a month.
I checked up on Usenet occasionally but only posted once because I
happened to be in an Apple store at the time (free internet) when
Slugshit was making a particularly laughable claim :)
Tony should be back soon to help pick things up by bringing things
down.
I did see that he was hoping Dani's plane would crash. What a repellent
heap of ***** he is.
I think this is great news if it turns out to be true. Imagine that we may
be able to find out more about the alien world Jean and Tony hail from!
Exciting, eh? Not since their saucers crashed in the NM desert have we had
such an opportunity!
Dr. Blunt -------------Serving the Usenet's mentally ill since 1998.
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| User: "Su Zanne" |
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| Title: Re: Wreckage of Alien Device "ALLEGED" ;) Update! |
12 Aug 2004 04:56:48 PM |
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=3Dstory&cid=3D96&ncid=3D753&e=3D10&u=
=3D/space/20040812/sc_space/russianalienspaceshipclaimsraiseeyebrowsskepti=
cism
An expedition of Russian researchers claims to have found evidence that
an alien spaceship had something to do with a huge explosion over
Siberia in 1908. Experts in asteroids and comets have long said the
massive blast was caused by a space rock.
The new ET claim is "a rather stupid hoax," one scientist said today.
And it's one with a rich history.
The latest claim was written up by news wires and was making the
Internet rounds Thursday morning. According to Agence France Presse, the
scientists say they've found "an extra-terrestrial device" that explains
"one of the 20th Century's biggest scientific mysteries," a catastrophe
that flattened some 800 square miles of Siberian forest in a region
called Tunguska.
Various other news reports told of a "technical device" and "a large
block made with metal." The researchers were said to chip a piece off
for laboratory study.
Most scientists think the Siberian devastation was caused by a large
meteorite which, instead of hitting the ground, exploded above the
surface.
'Plan to uncover evidence'
The Russian research team is called the Tunguska Space Phenomenon
foundation and is led by Yuri Labvin. He said in late July that an
expedition to the scene would seek evidence that aliens were involved.
"We intend to uncover evidences that will prove the fact that it was not
a meteorite that rammed the Earth, but a UFO," Labvin was quoted by the
Russian newspaper Pravda on July 29.
"I'm afraid this is a rather stupid hoax," said Benny Peiser, a
researcher at Liverpool John Moores University in the UK. "The Russian
team stupidly stated long before they went to Siberia that the main
intention of their expedition was to find the remnants of an 'alien
spaceship!' And bingo! A week later, that's what they claim to have
found."
Peiser studies catastrophic events and related scientific processes and
media reports. He runs an electronic newsletter, CCNet, which is among
the most comprehensive running catalogues on the subject.
"It's a rather sad comment on the current state of the anything-goes
attitudes among some 'science' correspondents that such blatant rubbish
is being reported -- without the slightest hint of skepticism," Peiser
told SPACE.com.
Longstanding mystery
Asteroid experts don't have all the answers for what happened at
Tunguska.
There were few witnesses in the remote region and the explosion left no
crater.
But the available evidence, along with modern computer modeling and
general knowledge of space rocks, leaves little doubt in most scientific
minds as to what happened.
Author Roy Gallant spent 10 years investigating the scene of the event
for his book, "Meteorite Hunter: The Search for Siberian Meteorite
Craters" (McGraw-Hill, 2002).
In an interview with SPACE.com when the book was published, Gallant said
scientists are gathering "accumulating evidence tending to support the
notion that the exploding object was a comet nucleus. This is the
collective opinion of most Russian investigators; although some say they
cannot confidently rule out a stony asteroid."
=A0Peiser said there is a "general consensus" among experts worldwide
that the culprit was an exploding comet or asteroid.
"Not surprisingly, the blast did not leave any remains of the object
intact," Peiser said. "However, researchers claim to have found evidence
of increased levels of cosmic dust particles in Greenland ice cores
which are dated to 1908 and which they link to the Tunguska event of the
same year."
Longstanding speculation
Speculation about aliens and Tunguska go way back. And there is a
reason: No other visitor from space -- natural or otherwise -- has had
such a well-documented impact on daily life in modern history.
The explosion on June 30, 1908 was equivalent to 20 million tons of TNT.
"Witnesses twenty to forty miles from the impact point experienced a
sudden thermal blast that could be felt through several layers of
clothing," writes Jim Oberg in "UFOs & Outer Space Mysteries" (Donning
Press, 1984). The blast was recorded as an earthquake at several weather
stations in Siberia."
In Europe, it didn't get dark that night. People said they could read
the newspaper by the light of the mysterious blast, Oberg reports.
Telescope operators in America noticed degraded sky conditions for
months.
No crater was found, and wild speculation ensued.
Enter sci-fi
Struck by the similarity of Tunguska and Hiroshima decades later, a
science fiction writer named Kazantsev wrote a story in which the
Tunguska blast was the exploding nuclear power plant of a spaceship from
Mars, according to Oberg.
A few Russian scientists took up the cause and claimed to find various
bits of evidence -- never substantiated -- for a civilized alien
explanation. Oberg wrote in 1984 that even then, as evidence built for a
natural cause, a handful of "spaceship buffs seem to have grown more
desperate, but no less effective, in corralling the public's attention."
He said annually some unsuspecting journalist would stumble on the
claims and write about them, setting off a fresh round of public
speculation.
On that front, little has changed since 1984.
Astronomer Philip Plait, author of the myth-debunking book Bad Astronomy
(Wiley & Sons, 2002), agrees with Peiser that the Russian researchers
intention for finding ET-evidence hurts their case.
"They are not undertaking a scientific expedition, that is, an unbiased
investigation to see what happened," Plait said Thursday via e-mail.
"They are going to try to prove their preconceived ideas. That's not
science, that's religion. And it almost certainly means that they are
more willing to ignore or play down any evidence that it was a comet or
rock impact, while playing up anything they find consistent with their
hypothesis."
Prove it
Whatever anyone believes, Plait points out that proof is what's
important.
"I am not saying they didn't find an alien ship. I am saying that it's
a) unlikely in the extreme, and b) they are predisposed to make such
claims, which means we need to be very skeptical, even more so than
usual in such cases. If they provide sufficient evidence, then
scientists are obligated to investigate, of course. But given everything
I've read, their evidence to even consider a non-natural cause is pretty
weak."
Plait has even thought about what evidence might be necessary. A chunk
of debris would help, but not just any sort of material.
"It would need a weird ratio of isotopes, for examples, or clear
evidence of long duration space travel," he said. "Even then they must
be careful; manmade space debris rains down on Earth all the time."
Plait, a naturally skeptical person, is willing to wait and see.
"Let's see what these guys bring back," he said. "In the end, it's not
what they can claim but what they can support with factual evidence that
counts. The burden of proof is clearly -- and heavily-- on them.
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