"eric" <ericdavis500@gmail.com> Spat the Words

Yes. This is common knowledge. In endless ways the Bush presidency is
not so much a failure - it is a Global disaster of apocalyptic
proporptions - Literally. And Steven will always, as per the Neocon
talking points blame the Democrats, and Bill Clinton.

Yeah, blame the dems, or shoot the messenger if you don't like
the message. Bush and company are not nice people... they're amoral.

The Bush presidency is a disaster of historic proportions, which
I believe will become more clear as time passes. Once we get someone
else in office I think the world will gradually start to forgive us,
but the Islamic fanatic/militant problem has been an unprecedented
disaster under Bush. Not only can the Bush people not identify
who the bad guys are (they think all Iraqis are terrorists), but
they can't even keep their eye on the ball long enough to work
up a feasible plan to combat terrorism.

It's really hard to envision any republicans still supporting
Bush (possibly the zealot Christian element still likes him).

Perseid wrote:

"eric" <ericdavis500@gmail.com> Spat the Words

This is the willful Ignorance I'm talking about. The wealthy have

been

given the biggest tax cuts in history, and has factually resulted in
the greatest deficit in world history. Yet Steven has his head so

far

up his own *****, that he denies this with a lame "deficit less than
predicted, and so on and so forth".

Ask him where the deficit is at relative to when Bush took
office. Hint, it was a huge surplus when Bush took office (thanks
Bill Clinton). Now we're not only running annual deficits, but
Bush has increased the US Federal debt by nearly 50% in 5
short years. For these reasons when the Bush monkeys start
talking about 'deficit less than predicted', the major financial
and economic brains are collectively UNDERWHELMED.

Hundreds of Billions of dollars of
yearly surpluses have been replaced by Hundreds of Billions of

dollars

yearly in deficits...and this doesn't include the Iraq war which

could

cost a trillion, or more by the time it's over.

eric.
P.S. I won't tell Hezbollah their ignorance started the war in
Lebabnon, because it didn't.
Israel has violated Lebanese terrority, and airspace dozens of times
since the Israeli retreat several years ago. Further, it is unclear
which side actually went into who's territory resulting in the

capture

of the Israeli soldiers. That's a fact, Stevie..Time for you to go
bonkers now avoiding that fact.


Steven Douglas wrote:

eric wrote:

I don't think anyone is 'persecuting' Steven. He dishes out as

well

does he not? Regardless, I think that people like Steven, and Jane

are

not only Ignorant, but wilfully so.
Ignorance is the reason George Bush was able to steal the

Presidency,

create two failed wars, bankrupt the U.S. with the greatest tax

cuts

to

the wealthy in world history.

You're entitled to your stupid opinions, but when you're factually
incorrect, that's when you're ignorant. Revenue to the US Treasury

is

UP since Bush's tax cuts. I know it is a difficult concept for some

of

you to understand, but when JFK cut tax rates, revenue went up. When
Reagan cut tax rates, revenue went up. And like clockwork, when Bush
cut tax rates, revenue went up. This year's deficit will be lower

than

originally predicted. So get your facts in order when you're talking
about Bush's tax cuts.

There is a high price to be paid for
those who cling to their ignorance, and the whole world is paying

that

price. So although, I disagree that anyone is 'persecuting'

Steven,

he

does need to be called out on his views. Ignorance feed wars and
misery, and are wholly immoral.

Why don't you tell your heroes in Hezbollah that their ignorance
started the conflict that has brought misery and suffering for the
people of Lebanon and Israel?

eric wrote:

Yes. This is common knowledge. In endless ways the Bush presidency is
not so much a failure - it is a Global disaster of apocalyptic
proporptions - Literally. And Steven will always, as per the Neocon
talking points blame the Democrats, and Bill Clinton.

I'm not blaming Bill Clinton. Clinton believed Saddam had WMD when he
left office. He believed Saddam had WMD when the invasion began, just
as his wife did when she voted to authorize the invasion. This may be
news to you, but I was very happy with most of Clinton's policies while
he was president. I enjoyed the good economy until it started to falter
late in his presidency with the bursting of the dotcom bubble (but
economies always go in cycles, so nothing good lasts forever). Bush
inherited an economy going into recession -- and then the economy took
another hit with 9/11. So to blame Bush for the bad economy he
inherited (along with the effects of 9/11) is unfair. But then who ever
said leftists are fair?

eric wrote:

Yes. This is common knowledge. In endless ways the Bush presidency is
not so much a failure - it is a Global disaster of apocalyptic
proporptions - Literally. And Steven will always, as per the Neocon
talking points blame the Democrats, and Bill Clinton.

I'm not blaming Bill Clinton. Clinton believed Saddam had WMD when he
left office. He believed Saddam had WMD when the invasion began, just
as his wife did when she voted to authorize the invasion. This may be
news to you, but I was very happy with most of Clinton's policies while
he was president. I enjoyed the good economy until it started to falter
late in his presidency with the bursting of the dotcom bubble (but
economies always go in cycles, so nothing good lasts forever). Bush
inherited an economy going into recession -- and then the economy took
another hit with 9/11. So to blame Bush for the bad economy he
inherited (along with the effects of 9/11) is unfair. But then who ever
said leftists are fair?

Aidan wrote:

Steven Douglas wrote:

Yet Steven has his head so far
up his own *****, that he denies this with a lame "deficit less than
predicted, and so on and so forth". Hundreds of Billions of dollars
of yearly surpluses have been replaced by Hundreds of Billions of
dollars yearly in deficits...and this doesn't include the Iraq war
which could cost a trillion, or more by the time it's over.

There is more revenue coming in to the treasury right now than there
was during the Clinton years. Deal with it.

SURPRISE! Another argument based on misdirection from Mr Douglas!

Increased revenues mean little to nothing when your expenditure
completely eclipses them. Can you guess what that results in? Massive
deficits.

No kidding! But the point I was responding to was eric's claim that the
tax cuts caused the deficits. Of course it is the spending that is
causing the deficits. Some of the leftists who post here probably think
I support Bush wholeheartedly on EVERYTHING he does. Well, as I've
pointed out several times, I have plenty of problems with Bush. His low
approval rating is not limited to people who disagree with him on Iraq.
I disagree with him on other things, but nevertheless, I am part of his
low approval rating. And the out-of-control spending is part of it.

If Bush were somehow able to curb spending, you might have a point...
but he can't, for obvious reasons. He dug his hole, now he has to
sleep in it.

A lot of that spending has been 9/11 related. But then there is the
social spending, which is ironic since Democrats LOVE social spending
-- and for them to criticize Bush for that is disingenuous. But then
they'll criticize him for ANYTHING at ANYTIME for ANY REASON!