Not to deny those of you whose only form of exercise is jumping to
prejudiced conclusion...
-A
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,702062,00.html
The Cat Stevens incident has its origins in a spelling mistake
The Yusuf Islam incident earlier this week, in which the former Cat
Stevens was denied entry into the U.S. when federal officials
determined he was on the government's "no-fly" antiterror list,
started with a simple spelling error. According to aviation sources
with access to the list, there is no Yusuf Islam on the no-fly
registry, though there is a "Youssouf Islam." The incorrect name was
added to the register this summer, but because Islam's name is spelled
"Yusuf" on his British passport, he was allowed to board a plane in
London bound for the U.S. The Transportation Safety Administration
alleges that Islam has links to terrorist groups, which he has denied;
British foreign minister Jack Straw said the TSA action "should never
have been taken."
The incident points up some of the real problems facing security
personnel as they try to enforce the "no-fly" list. One issue is
spelling; many foreign names have several different transliterations
into English. And the sheer size of the list is daunting; thousands of
names have been added in the last couple months, says one government
official, bringing the total up to more than 19,000 names to look out
for. That makes it difficult for airlines and government agencies to
check all passengers. Within the past six months, several people on
the no fly list have been mistakenly allowed to fly.
Still, the TSA is learning. It recently acknowledged that a Federal
Air Marshall, unable to fly for weeks when his name was mistakenly put
on the "no-fly" list, was in fact not a threat, and removed his name
from the list.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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26 Sep 2004 08:19:21 AM |
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In article <8f290e5f.0409260050.69704ff7@posting.google.com>, (Absolute Zero) wrote:
Not to deny those of you whose only form of exercise is jumping to
prejudiced conclusion...
-A
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,702062,00.html
The Cat Stevens incident has its origins in a spelling mistake
The Yusuf Islam incident earlier this week, in which the former Cat
Stevens was denied entry into the U.S. when federal officials
determined he was on the government's "no-fly" antiterror list,
started with a simple spelling error. According to aviation sources
with access to the list, there is no Yusuf Islam on the no-fly
registry, though there is a "Youssouf Islam." The incorrect name was
added to the register this summer, but because Islam's name is spelled
"Yusuf" on his British passport, he was allowed to board a plane in
London bound for the U.S. The Transportation Safety Administration
alleges that Islam has links to terrorist groups, which he has denied;
British foreign minister Jack Straw said the TSA action "should never
have been taken."
The incident points up some of the real problems facing security
personnel as they try to enforce the "no-fly" list. One issue is
spelling; many foreign names have several different transliterations
into English. And the sheer size of the list is daunting; thousands of
names have been added in the last couple months, says one government
official, bringing the total up to more than 19,000 names to look out
for. That makes it difficult for airlines and government agencies to
check all passengers. Within the past six months, several people on
the no fly list have been mistakenly allowed to fly.
Still, the TSA is learning. It recently acknowledged that a Federal
Air Marshall, unable to fly for weeks when his name was mistakenly put
on the "no-fly" list, was in fact not a threat, and removed his name
from the list.
Okay, so the question is: Is this a Good Thing or a Bad Thing?
;-)
Woods
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27 Sep 2004 05:25:38 AM |
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On 26 Sep 2004 01:50:46 -0700, (Absolute Zero) wrote:
The Cat Stevens incident has its origins in a spelling mistake
This method seems highly ineffective.
(1) Thousands of people are named Yusuf Islam. How is a "list" going to help?
(2) What is the probability that a terrorist would use his real name to enter
the US? It's really easy to change your name and get a different passport. You
can even get a passport with a different name by paying bribes in many
countries.
Why would a "terrorist" you his real name, when he could enter the US using a
name like "John Smith" or something?
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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| Title: Re: You Say Yusuf, I Say Youssouf... |
28 Sep 2004 12:29:30 PM |
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In article <b9qfl0tcaij06ufg9cl3m6oikk3v58jksd@4ax.com>, AK <someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote:
On 26 Sep 2004 01:50:46 -0700, (Absolute Zero) wrote:
The Cat Stevens incident has its origins in a spelling mistake
This method seems highly ineffective.
(1) Thousands of people are named Yusuf Islam. How is a "list" going to help?
Excllent question.
Another good question is -
(2) What is the probability that a terrorist would use his real name to enter
the US? It's really easy to change your name and get a different passport. You
can even get a passport with a different name by paying bribes in many
countries.
Why would a "terrorist" you his real name, when he could enter the US using a
name like "John Smith" or something?
Again, an excellent question. We already know that some of the 9/11 terrorists
were using forged passports. However, the list contains known aliases. Once
another alias is discovered, it's added to the list.
We could close the borders to people with passports from any country that does
not have some un-forgible type of passport. (Then, of course, there would be
bribes to officials to obtain "real" ones).
Woods
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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28 Sep 2004 01:06:16 PM |
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Woodswun a écrit:
In article <b9qfl0tcaij06ufg9cl3m6oikk3v58jksd@4ax.com>, AK <someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote:
On 26 Sep 2004 01:50:46 -0700, (Absolute Zero) wrote:
The Cat Stevens incident has its origins in a spelling mistake
This method seems highly ineffective.
(1) Thousands of people are named Yusuf Islam. How is a "list" going to help?
Excllent question.
Another good question is -
(2) What is the probability that a terrorist would use his real name to enter
the US? It's really easy to change your name and get a different passport. You
can even get a passport with a different name by paying bribes in many
countries.
Why would a "terrorist" you his real name, when he could enter the US using a
name like "John Smith" or something?
Again, an excellent question. We already know that some of the 9/11 terrorists
were using forged passports. However, the list contains known aliases. Once
another alias is discovered, it's added to the list.
We could close the borders to people with passports from any country that does
not have some un-forgible type of passport. (Then, of course, there would be
bribes to officials to obtain "real" ones).
Woods
As I have put forth before (three posts about it in the fall of 2001) a
system that has very secure database biometry, digital fingerprints, and
iridology technology, with DNA data base back up when available, would
insure that such mistaken identity doesN't happen. They are starting to
invest in these techniques more and more since,
J.
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26 Sep 2004 05:30:25 AM |
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Uh oh!
Pass the spoons out. Big spoons and lots of them!
SuZanne
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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26 Sep 2004 08:01:23 AM |
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Well, they didn't take any chance as it could have been the same guy
with his name spelled differently, as it is in fact the case with the
discrepancy between his passport and his self admitted name, BTW.
If it had been the guy, it wouldn't have been a mistake.
J.
Absolute Zero a écrit:
Not to deny those of you whose only form of exercise is jumping to
prejudiced conclusion...
-A
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,702062,00.html
The Cat Stevens incident has its origins in a spelling mistake
The Yusuf Islam incident earlier this week, in which the former Cat
Stevens was denied entry into the U.S. when federal officials
determined he was on the government's "no-fly" antiterror list,
started with a simple spelling error. According to aviation sources
with access to the list, there is no Yusuf Islam on the no-fly
registry, though there is a "Youssouf Islam." The incorrect name was
added to the register this summer, but because Islam's name is spelled
"Yusuf" on his British passport, he was allowed to board a plane in
London bound for the U.S. The Transportation Safety Administration
alleges that Islam has links to terrorist groups, which he has denied;
British foreign minister Jack Straw said the TSA action "should never
have been taken."
The incident points up some of the real problems facing security
personnel as they try to enforce the "no-fly" list. One issue is
spelling; many foreign names have several different transliterations
into English. And the sheer size of the list is daunting; thousands of
names have been added in the last couple months, says one government
official, bringing the total up to more than 19,000 names to look out
for. That makes it difficult for airlines and government agencies to
check all passengers. Within the past six months, several people on
the no fly list have been mistakenly allowed to fly.
Still, the TSA is learning. It recently acknowledged that a Federal
Air Marshall, unable to fly for weeks when his name was mistakenly put
on the "no-fly" list, was in fact not a threat, and removed his name
from the list.
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